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1. Bob Mottram (bob@social.freedombone.net)'s status on Saturday, 21-Oct-2017 17:39:03 UTC Bob Mottram

   • Annah
   • solidarity with ppl in rojava
   @maiyannah @paulfree14 Slacktivism has its place, but Anonymous shows its limitations. Creating and propagating memes which criticize the status quo and lampoon the foolishness of the powerful is worthwhile, but not sufficient to bring about material changes in the things which matter.
   
   Where Anonymous got it right I think is just in anonymity as a tactic. It's hard to disrupt a movement if it doesn't have any obvious leader or if the leader is a fictional character (eg. Ned Ludd). I think that if Wikileaks had avoided having any conspicuous spokesperson, or adopted an attractive-looking computer generated news reader as one, then they probably would have been more successful.
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   • Aemon (aemon@social.targaryen.house)'s status on Saturday, 21-Oct-2017 18:39:49 UTC Aemon

     @bob Then you get organized and protest, like everybody else. You educate the public opinion. That's how a lot of progress was made not so many years ago. Preemptive violence won't be the solution to any social struggle nowadays, I tell you. At the most what you'll get is more opposition.

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   • Bob Mottram (bob@social.freedombone.net)'s status on Saturday, 21-Oct-2017 20:10:55 UTC Bob Mottram

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     • Aemon
     @aemon @maiyannah in authoritarian systems you typically can't change anything by winning an argument. If you're in a surveillance state or a repressive capital relation usually there is no argument you can make which will materially change your conditions. Authoritarianism isn't always about obvious violent attacks but instead creating a system of rules backed by threats where most people have no option but to comply.
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   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Saturday, 21-Oct-2017 21:52:32 UTC Hallå Kitteh

     • solidarity with ppl in rojava
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     @bob @paulfree14 @eurekafreak
     
     Antifa is a proper name (although usually spelled in all small caps) derived by way of abbreviating anti-fascist.
     
     It's a decades-old unorganized free-for-all franchise from Germany and Scandinavia (AFA) that believes street brawling is effective against a xenophobic, nationalist, totalitarian undercurrent in society.
     
     Now people in the US are trying to claim it as something broader, but as we can see from all the discussion around what antifa is or isn't, this has not been productive.
     
     If you have seen people argue against antifa in a way that makes no sense if you replace antifa with anti-fascism, that's because they were arguing against antifa, not arguing against being anti fascism.
   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Saturday, 21-Oct-2017 21:59:46 UTC Hallå Kitteh

     • Annah
     @maiyannah Did Anonymous ever have a rail? I'm asking in ignorance, not sarcasm.