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1. Former Bob Jonkman -- Please use the new server at https://gs.jonkman.ca (bobjonkmanformer@sn.jonkman.ca)'s status on Tuesday, 04-Jul-2017 21:55:34 UTC Former Bob Jonkman -- Please use the new server at https://gs.jonkman.ca

   • Boreal Explorer
   About the only thing I agree with: "We're looking at Mastodon breaking off from OStatus and becoming its own thing sometime in the not-too-distant future..." https://trysdyn.dreamwidth.org/3027.html
   • Former Bob Jonkman -- Please use the new server at https://gs.jonkman.ca (bobjonkmanformer@sn.jonkman.ca)'s status on Tuesday, 04-Jul-2017 21:56:30 UTC Former Bob Jonkman -- Please use the new server at https://gs.jonkman.ca

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     I would have mentioned the author, Trysdyn, but his #GNUsocial or #Mastodon userID is strangely absent from his website
   • Former Bob Jonkman -- Please use the new server at https://gs.jonkman.ca (bobjonkmanformer@sn.jonkman.ca)'s status on Tuesday, 04-Jul-2017 22:04:40 UTC Former Bob Jonkman -- Please use the new server at https://gs.jonkman.ca

     • Boreal Explorer
     The article attributes lots of statements to the authors of both #GNUsocial and #Mastodon, things that I've never heard either state online (nothing that reached my timeline, anyway). The whole article seems to make the difference between #GNUsocial and #Mastodon much more acrimonious than I've experienced.
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   • vinzv (vinzv@gnusocial.de)'s status on Tuesday, 04-Jul-2017 22:35:50 UTC vinzv

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     @bobjonkman And after creating yet another somewhat walled garden GS/the Fediverse will be back to what it was before the Mastohype. This minority will just keep existing as it did for nearly 10 years now and I'm quite happy with that.
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   • Former Bob Jonkman -- Please use the new server at https://gs.jonkman.ca (bobjonkmanformer@sn.jonkman.ca)'s status on Tuesday, 04-Jul-2017 22:39:15 UTC Former Bob Jonkman -- Please use the new server at https://gs.jonkman.ca

     • Boreal Explorer
     The author's explanation of expectation of "security" or "privacy" in #Mastodon is concerning. Knowing that !OStatus provides no privacy or security at all, bolting privacy and security features onto #Mastodon isn't going to work. This is not the fault of #OStatus, nor is it a shortcoming of #GNUsocial that it doesn't implement security or privacy with #OStatus, but recognizes that constraint.
   • Former Bob Jonkman -- Please use the new server at https://gs.jonkman.ca (bobjonkmanformer@sn.jonkman.ca)'s status on Wednesday, 05-Jul-2017 01:35:15 UTC Former Bob Jonkman -- Please use the new server at https://gs.jonkman.ca

     • archaeme
     Your digging-fu is better than my digging-fu
   • Former Bob Jonkman -- Please use the new server at https://gs.jonkman.ca (bobjonkmanformer@sn.jonkman.ca)'s status on Wednesday, 05-Jul-2017 01:46:06 UTC Former Bob Jonkman -- Please use the new server at https://gs.jonkman.ca

     • Boreal Explorer
     How well known is it amongst #Mastodon users that their privacy features don't really work outside of their own instance? Perhaps some admins know, but much of the flaming is coming from people angry that #GNUsocial doesn't follow the privacy conventions of #Mastodon. But being angry that the #GNUsocial developer(s) aren't creating the same illusion of privacy is really misdirected anger.
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   • Former Bob Jonkman -- Please use the new server at https://gs.jonkman.ca (bobjonkmanformer@sn.jonkman.ca)'s status on Wednesday, 05-Jul-2017 01:48:50 UTC Former Bob Jonkman -- Please use the new server at https://gs.jonkman.ca

     • Boreal Explorer
     The big thing that's prevented me from even trying #Mastodon is the lack of support for !Fedgroups. And that's not a wrongful implemenation of #OStatus; I believe #Fedgroups are implemented as a specific client behaviour, nothing to do with OStatus.
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   • Former Bob Jonkman -- Please use the new server at https://gs.jonkman.ca (bobjonkmanformer@sn.jonkman.ca)'s status on Wednesday, 05-Jul-2017 01:58:46 UTC Former Bob Jonkman -- Please use the new server at https://gs.jonkman.ca

     • Peter D
     I'm perfectly happy that #Mastodon exists, and if it implements #ActivityPub in a future version, more power to it. And if it drops #OStatus support, well, that's what forks (or reimplementations) like #Mastodon are for. But don't blame #GNUsocial developers for not following #Mastodon's road map for the future.
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   • Former Bob Jonkman -- Please use the new server at https://gs.jonkman.ca (bobjonkmanformer@sn.jonkman.ca)'s status on Wednesday, 05-Jul-2017 07:49:50 UTC Former Bob Jonkman -- Please use the new server at https://gs.jonkman.ca

     • Shnoulle
     That's a great Social Media Protocol chart! http://sn.jonkman.ca/attachment/64328
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   • Johnny Null (johnnynull@freezepeach.xyz)'s status on Wednesday, 05-Jul-2017 09:38:38 UTC Johnny Null

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     • Boreal Explorer
     @bobjonkman @taiganaut Good riddance.
   • Shnoulle (shnoulle@ostatus.shnoulle.net)'s status on Wednesday, 05-Jul-2017 10:01:56 UTC Shnoulle

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     @bobjonkman From https://ostatus.shnoulle.net/url/299667 (source ;) )
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   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Thursday, 06-Jul-2017 01:58:14 UTC Hallå Kitteh

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     • vinzv
     • Boreal Explorer
     • Peter D
     • m0n5t3r
     • archaeme
     • Johnny Null
     • LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864}
     • Shnoulle
     • awg
     • Coco
     @bobjonkman @taiganaut @lnxw48a1 @awg @vinzv @archaeme @shnoulle @derkatzenhund @lain @johnnynull @m0n5t3r @perspicacious01
     
     > If you absolutely have to reach someone on an instance that refuses to federate with Mastodon, you'll have to use GNU Social and vice versa.
     
     Vice versa? Where are these GS instances that block Mastodon?
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   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Thursday, 06-Jul-2017 02:03:26 UTC Hallå Kitteh

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     • Boreal Explorer
     @bobjonkman @taiganaut I think it sounds pretty accurate, except that "blissfully unaware", "pro-Masto" and "anti-Masto" are the only three categories of users listed.
     
     They're missing the huge categories "aware, don't care", "can't we all just get along" and "nice to see all these new people, hope they figure out the pond is bigger than it looks" and the small category "I have six alts to tie this mess together".
   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Thursday, 06-Jul-2017 02:05:55 UTC Hallå Kitteh

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     • Hallå Kitteh
     Oh, now I even noticed that I read this backwards. They're actually stating GS instances blocking Masto as the prime case and Masto blocking GS as the vice versa. o_O
   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Thursday, 06-Jul-2017 02:19:01 UTC Hallå Kitteh

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     • MMN-o ✅⃠
     @mmn
     
     > Have a look at XMPP for proper privacy and security.
     
     I don't get this argument, and I've seen several people make it. Without E2EE, XMPP or email is no more inherently secure than OStatus+mastoflags or AP.
     
     It's just that we don't have an existing base of implementations that put your XMPP or mail conversations on the web. That's a valid argument, but one cannot make it in the same breath as "[all it takes is one malicious Masto instance]" or "[the web is inherently insecure]".
     
     Security in XMPP and SMTP is just as bolted-on as any other except those E2EE-from-birth protocols where e.g. your pubkey is your identity.
   • Christmas Personified as a Catgirl (moonman@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 06-Jul-2017 02:43:08 UTC Christmas Personified as a Catgirl

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     • Hallå Kitteh
     @clacke 
     
     hakui.club and mpsf.group
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   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Thursday, 06-Jul-2017 02:54:56 UTC Hallå Kitteh

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     • Christmas Personified as a Catgirl
     @moonman Huh, ok.
   • MMN-o ✅⃠ (mmn@social.umeahackerspace.se)'s status on Thursday, 06-Jul-2017 05:41:03 UTC MMN-o ✅⃠

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     • xmpp
     • Hallå Kitteh
     @clacke I accept most ofbyour arguments and yes, I make the assumption the user chooses a secure client. But with !xmpp your keys when using encryption are stored locally with your client and not the server - that is close to impossible with the web.
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   • MMN-o ✅⃠ (mmn@social.umeahackerspace.se)'s status on Thursday, 06-Jul-2017 05:42:32 UTC MMN-o ✅⃠

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     • MMN-o ✅⃠
     • Hallå Kitteh
     @clacke and anyone saying crypto or secure as something possible "in your browser" should be shot. That's how irrate I am.
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   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Thursday, 06-Jul-2017 06:01:14 UTC Hallå Kitteh

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     • MMN-o ✅⃠
     @mmn Good point!