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1. Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Wednesday, 05-Apr-2017 05:43:29 UTC Hallå Kitteh

   • Sim
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   @sim @eqdw @tim I still think the future is P2P, with a federated web front-end for the uninitiated to discover and view the network before installing the P2P software and joining.
   
   #patchwork is a stab at this, but I think there's a lot of architecting left before it can handle even 100000 users.
   • Munin, Keeper of Lore (munin@mastodon.hasameli.com)'s status on Wednesday, 05-Apr-2017 16:26:09 UTC Munin, Keeper of Lore

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     @clacke @eqdw @tim @sim I disagree - I think that federated web front ends are going to end up being the most accessible means of access for the vast majority of users; comparatively few will be able to effectively use P2P type networks given the nature of most consumer-facing ISPs and the comparatively higher expertise required to use them.

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   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Wednesday, 05-Apr-2017 20:03:25 UTC Hallå Kitteh

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     @sim @tim It's an old truth in process management, that you have to make it easy for people to do the right thing. Not only hard or "wrong" to do the wrong thing.
     
     Want people to burn less gasoline? Make really nice eletric cars. Want your programmers to write more tests? Make it really easy to write tests, and create feedback loops that make it rewarding to have good test coverage.
     
     Want to remove power from giant data silos? Make really compelling and usable peer-to-peer tools.
   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Wednesday, 05-Apr-2017 20:04:07 UTC Hallå Kitteh

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     @sim @tim Come to think of it, I just basically rephrased that Buckminster Fuller quote.
   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Wednesday, 05-Apr-2017 20:06:15 UTC Hallå Kitteh

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     @munin @sim @eqdw @tim You are right, and I believe I am right at the same time. A P2P network with a federated substrate for the casual users is what I'm talking about.
     
     It must be really easy to set up a node. That means you can't really have to "set up" anything, just get the app and run it. And then there needs to be the web layer for people who can't even be bothered to do that.
   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Wednesday, 05-Apr-2017 20:12:37 UTC Hallå Kitteh

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     @munin @sim @eqdw @tim With #patchwork you don't even need internet in extreme circumstances. As long as you share a network with another user, your clients exchange what they figure has happened on the network since last time they each had an update. One could imagine drop points in a city where people sync without ever using the internet.
   • Tim Pastoor☑️ (tim@maly.io)'s status on Wednesday, 05-Apr-2017 21:13:51 UTC Tim Pastoor☑️

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     @clacke @sim Best quote ever, really.

     Just to point one thing out:

     "We do have to fight human nature here... as a general rule, the path of least resistance is most likely to be used(...)"

     See the contradiction? Fight human nature vs. path of least resistance.

     Hence, I think the trick is to find ways that can (technically) incentivize good behavior, while making it convenient enough for the user, and offer a more cost-efficient way of doing things.

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   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Wednesday, 05-Apr-2017 22:53:40 UTC Hallå Kitteh

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     @munin @sim @eqdw @tim Modern devs are creating #patchwork.
     
     http://viewer.scuttlebot.io/%25m8fNpY1Ch29zDRRlRVLF0Xh9P0wTboG%2Fd6a2yWPQcsA%3D.sha256
   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Wednesday, 05-Apr-2017 22:54:52 UTC Hallå Kitteh

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     @tim @sim There's no contradiction. You fight human nature by subverting if for your purposes.
   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Wednesday, 05-Apr-2017 22:57:12 UTC Hallå Kitteh

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     @tim @sim
     
     > Nobody's ever going to ...
     They did. Several times. :-)
     
     What's difficult is sustainable longevity.
   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Thursday, 06-Apr-2017 07:16:12 UTC Hallå Kitteh

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     @tim I guess I mean "fight" in an aikido sense. :-)
   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Thursday, 06-Apr-2017 15:42:58 UTC Hallå Kitteh

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     • Tim Pastoor☑️
     @neimzr4luzerz @tim No. "adapt", possibly.
   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Thursday, 06-Apr-2017 18:23:04 UTC Hallå Kitteh

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     @tim It's unusual to find a person who finds the name of the teacher more familiar than the name of the style. :-)