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When you realize it would have been simpler and less resource intensive to just have servers follow the fucking public rss feed on other servers than all this push bullshit that never fucking works.
- Hallå Kitteh repeated this.
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@moonman I don't know much about the internals of GNU Social, but there probably is a reason why they have such a system in place.
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@archaeme well it ought to be better.
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@archaeme @moonman The idea is to reduce load on popular servers by putting the pubsubhubhub (haha) servers in the middle, plus real time federation. Of course, that was when people thought there would be 'popular' GS servers. ActivityPub does away with all this extra stuff...
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@lambadalambda @moonman The ActivityPub thing is pretty much close to what Moon suggests.
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@moonman Even better would be letting an XMPP server do the heavy lifting.
Leaving OMB was a mistake.
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@takeshitakenji @lnxw48a1 Leaving OMB was a mistake.
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@lambadalambda @moonman @archaeme OStatus was a mistake.
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@lambadalambda @moonman @archaeme The way I remember it, the main reason for PuSH, and presumably for GS (laconica) using it, was that search engines like Google would be able to provide live search of the real-time web.
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@clacke @lambadalambda @archaeme does this imply that the main way that people would be getting this info would be via aggregators rather than servers directly
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@archaeme @lambadalambda @moonman AP is the opposite of RSS.
The starting point is RSS. Everyone just publish feeds, and people poll them.
To improve latency and load, PuSH adds pushing to publishing, and to improve interactivity and discovery Salmon adds pushing to people who don't follow you. It becomes cumbersome because it's all still centered around the RSS feed and there are several layers of protocols.
ActivityPub removes RSS and it's all just pushing messages to inboxes. The difference from SMTP is in the details.
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@takeshitakenji @lambadalambda @moonman @archaeme
Yet here we are. Without OStatus there might have been neither Diaspora nor ActivityPub. Years of trying to push StatusNet kept the fedsocnet dream alive.
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@moonman @lambadalambda @archaeme I believe so. At least casual browsing and discovery.