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@maiyannah It's literally the first time I've heard of it out of USA. Here for example alternative medicine is a big thing, from herbs to acupunture and massages, but pretty much the only people you see complaining about meds are the people who are actually intolerant to them, like my grandmother who can only take a select few as most upset her digestive system. I've literally never seen anyone complaining about vaccination, in fact people are eager to sign up for it whenever there's an allocated number of state-paid vaccines for stuff like flu in autumn.
- Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠) repeated this.
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However Dr. Hannah Dahlen, a professor of midwifery at the University of Western Sydney and the spokeswoman for the Australian College of Midwives, worries the crackdown may push people with anti-vaccination views further underground. "The worry is the confirmation bias that can occur, because people might say: 'There you go, this is proof that you can't even have an alternative opinion.' It might in fact just give people more fuel for their belief systems."
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I honestly don't care if it does "validate" anti-vaccination-pushing medical personell frankly, no medical practitioner has any business promoting non-scientifically-backed views that are of significant harm to their patients. This is the exact opposite of "do no harm". The affected patients lives are much more important a concern than what the people being disciplined think of the discipline.
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@nerthos It's somewhat a sign of privilege, I'd say, that people are in a position where they complain about free vaccinations. Others, in less affluent countries, would do much to have such access to medication.
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@nerthos I'm actually exactly the kind of person most would assume is anti-vaccination because my condition was caused by an improperly sterilized needle used for one, basically, but thinking something is bad because it fucked me up when someone didn't do it right would be quite silly.
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@maiyannah How does that work anyway? Was it defective from the factory? or does law over there not require using a factory-sealed needle for any vaccination? Here doctors are required to use a new needle out of the blister each time, the most they can get away with is using the same needle for two applications of the same drug in the same place like when a dentist applies two or three doses of local anesthetic.
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@nerthos There have been laws passed since then that require this but in the past when I was a child it was acceptable to reuse syringes that were properly sterilized using an specialized device.
It's not even that these devices are ineffective or bad - they're quite effective and using them reduces waste. It's the human element - people cutting corners in health care has huge consequences and all it takes is a forgetful nurse or a doctor that doesn't want to wait the about 10 minutes those devices take to work and someone's life gets ... interesting.
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@nerthos @maiyannah We Swedes like to think of ourselves as pretty rational and pro-science, but New Age and other woo is on the rise.
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@nerthos @maiyannah There is a town in Sweden where there's an anthroposophic center, and they have local epidemics of childhood illnesses.
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@nerthos @maiyannah Their local anthroposophic clinic has had an exception since 1993 to prescribe non-proven medicine and get subsidies.
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@nerthos @maiyannah The evidence exception for anthroposophic "Vidarkliniken" was extended time after time, but will finally expire in 2018.
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@nerthos @maiyannah So that's actually a counter-example to the Rise of the Woo, or an example of a counter-rise in active Skepticism.
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@clacke @nerthos It's become trendy in academic circles in particular to actively reject skepticism. I regard this as related to the establishment as it were trying to reassert itself. An educated populace is not an easy one to control with propoganda, so they want an uneducated one.
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