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@nakal I didn't say people are avoiding it. I just said that needing to learn doesn't imply that they have to read the documentation. They could watch tutorial videos, ask friends etc. Sticking to documentation of course is important but it's not the holy grail to using things. Especially if these things are built for the ease of use.
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@csaurus it depends on google services for backend , the app is foss but the infrastructure it relies on, it's not and they don't want it
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@csaurus There once was libresignal in fdroid which used websockets for push messages. The devs of signal tried to force removal by legal threatening, which is one major reason why I don't use signal anymore.
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@csaurus Yes, it's a mess. Every messenger has it's (imho critical) downsides. Sticking with XMPP is the best solution for me.
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@csaurus Which is the same tragedy as with Thunderbird/Enigmail/PGP: too complicated, too much steps to take, not intuitive enough. It's a thing where tech-savvy people and devs have lost years being lazy.
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@nakal What I meant was that less tech savvy people even have to know about techniques existing. Afterwards there needs to be field testing, UX development etc.
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@csaurus Yes but that is not only the users' fault. Just check how many linux/foss guys are jumping around at G+. A constantly rising number of KDE related projects use Telegram for their community affairs. That's all people how *know* the risks but still ignore them. So who can blame users for being in the dark if they are left there by their responsible role models?
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@nakal I disagree and point at what @sim answered. This world ain't black and white only luckily.
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@nakal Needing to learn doesn't imply reading documentation. Just sayin.
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@nakal Talking of XMPP: Conversations on Android is a great example for no need of documentation. It's a well designed UI with self-explanatory use.
Don't get me wrong: complex things need deep documentation. Things made for easy use need to avoid that as it either keeps people away from using or eats dev's time on writing docs.
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@vinzv I agree that there are other kinds of knowledge sources, but I don't agree that something is easier to use if you "don't need to read docs".
If something does not have docs, it's NOT easy to use. Btw, telling me I don't needs docs is an offense to me.
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@nakal Then we'll have to leave it at this point. I have to go and check the docs of my fridge, just in case I misused it for years. ;-)