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1. Vee Satayamas (vsatayamas@quitter.se)'s status on Thursday, 29-Sep-2016 07:50:00 UTC Vee Satayamas
   "Why Capitalism Creates Pointless Jobs" http://evonomics.com/why-capitalism-creates-pointless-jobs-david-graeber/
   
   #readinglist
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   • Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠) (clackemovedtoheldscalla@quitter.se)'s status on Friday, 30-Sep-2016 14:57:04 UTC Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠)
     @vsatayamas The solution to paper pushing and other intellectual drudgery is automation, but I suspect the same people criticize that too.
   • Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠) (clackemovedtoheldscalla@quitter.se)'s status on Friday, 30-Sep-2016 14:57:06 UTC Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠)
     @vsatayamas Totally disagree with the conclusion. Those who think paper pushers contribute nothing, lack systems thinking or imagination.
   • Bob Mottram (bob@primatemind.info)'s status on Friday, 30-Sep-2016 15:11:19 UTC Bob Mottram

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     @vsatayamas Back in the late 19th century Kropotkin did some back of the envelope type calculations for how much "socially necessary labour time" was actually needed, and his estimate was about three hours per day per capable adult (see "The conquest of bread"). Maybe four if you want luxury goods. And that was with the technology of the time, which was mostly horses and carts. Today the amount of socially necessary labour time is probably far less.
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   • Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠) (clackemovedtoheldscalla@quitter.se)'s status on Friday, 30-Sep-2016 15:23:59 UTC Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠)

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     • Bob Mottram
     @bob ... for his definition of "socially necssary". I have so much "necessary" stuff I want to do, three life times is not enough.
   • Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠) (clackemovedtoheldscalla@quitter.se)'s status on Friday, 30-Sep-2016 15:25:57 UTC Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠)

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     • Bob Mottram
     @bob I haven't felt a single hour of work I have done in 20 years has been unnecessary. Inefficient? Boring? Sure, but never useless.
   • Bob Mottram (bob@primatemind.info)'s status on Friday, 30-Sep-2016 15:27:35 UTC Bob Mottram

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     • Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠)
     @clacke his definition of socially necessary is the amount of work that's needed to cover basic needs - housing, clothing, food and drink
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   • Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠) (clackemovedtoheldscalla@quitter.se)'s status on Saturday, 01-Oct-2016 10:59:39 UTC Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠)

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     • Bob Mottram
     @bob I'm not surprised that people aim higher than survival, and I see nothing wrong with it.