@sl007 @schmittlauch @rgggn I think we're all excited to see the ActivityPub Conf videos go up. I don't know much about Peertube though; maybe someone at @Framasoft who is also interested could help give some guidance?

@LienRag @trevdev @conservancy Well, it is the position I am making, anyway.

@liw Don't have time to summarize right now, but skim some license-review and license-discuss lists since April https://lists.opensource.org/pipermail/license-review_lists.opensource.org/
https://lists.opensource.org/pipermail/license-discuss_lists.opensource.org/

In the meanwhile, we have some difficult work in front of us; while again I think RMS stepping down was completely correct, we can at least say that RMS was stubbornly principled. Right now if you look at the OSI license lists, I think you can see a lot of people trying to chip away at the principles of FOSS, maybe even unintentionally.

We need to re-examine and clearly be able to articulate the reasons we are taking these positions ourselves.

https://www.fsf.org/news/richard-m-stallman-resigns

I'll be reinstating my FSF membership today.

RMS resigning was the right thing to do. Still, I know this was a painful situation for many, so I'll just say: thanks for your work on free software.

@jalcine Well, consider this an offer to talk! :)

(We probably should at some point anyway!)

I let my FSF membership lapse last month, but I sent the membership team an explanation that I will not be renewing until RMS is not acting President. (I also included empathy for the FSF staff who are in a difficult position.)

Great calls with two nice FOSS friends. Making me feel more optimistic about the future.

@jalcine @cj I don't consider that butting in fwiw :)

@cj It's not bad to have leadership! We have multiple leaders in the fediverse space, but the fediverse as a whole is not predicated on any single one of them.

@elmiko I think that's probably accurate

A lot of this is driven by my personal excitement/passion though, hence why I think that my ability to take it on in JS is predicated on having a lispy interface to it :)

I am interested in a critical analysis and re-formulation of the foundations of our principles. Principles matter, and it's probably about time that we examine them more carefully than relying on the thinking of one person, even if that person has done a good job at the *philosophy and principles* portion historically.

This is also a problem because we *do* need principled positions right now. I look at the OSI license discuss / review mailing lists right now and see us at the edge of people really screwing up everything, and having clearly articulated principles is how we can resist breaking those things.

But thus far all those principles rest on the reputation of one person, and that person isn't doing a good job of maintaining their reputation (and thus ours).

What to do next?

I am interested in a critical analysis and re-formulation of the foundations of our principles. Principles matter, and it's probably about time that we examine them more carefully than relying on the thinking of one person, even if that person has done a good job at the *philosophy and principles* portion historically.

This is also a problem because we *do* need principled positions right now. I look at the OSI license discuss / review mailing lists right now and see us at the edge of people really screwing up everything, and having clearly articulated principles is how we can resist breaking those things.

But thus far all those principles rest on the reputation of one person, and that person isn't doing a good job of maintaining their reputation (and thus ours).

What to do next?

(That's not to say that what rms said in particular this time isn't deeply... troubling and significant, just that the pattern and the difficult situation it puts us in is what I'm interested in bringing to light to my fellow activists.)

I'm not as interested in discussing the details of what RMS said this time as I am in recognizing this as a regularly occuring pattern of behavior, and how hard it makes life for the FOSS community to push for the ideals we collectively believe in.

If a single person or organization in the environmental movement does something that seems deeply problematic, it doesn't feel like it threatens the end of environmentalism.

So how did we end up in this state? How can we change that?

@trevdev @LienRag @conservancy We could really debate and piece apart the particular statement that rms made about this, but I'm not interested in that. What I'm more interested in is that this is a pattern of behavior, and free software advocates are consistently being put in a difficult spot by situations like this coming up over and over again.

Given how the movement has accepted historically rms being at the center, that makes our lives consistently difficult.

@trevdev @LienRag @conservancy We could really debate and piece apart the particular statement that rms made about this, but I'm not interested in that. What I'm more interested in is that this is a pattern of behavior, and free software advocates are consistently being put in a difficult spot by situations like this coming up over and over again.

Given how the movement has accepted historically rms being at the center, that makes our lives consistently difficult.

Agoric, for instance, probably has built almost all the right infrastructure to build and trade stamps immediately. And it's being built by the experts in the field.

Damn, I've really had a lot of fun working on Goblins and I think it's a really interesting infrastructure. I don't really want to throw all that away.

But we're in early enough stages there to where I could do it.