@krille @silverpill @phoenix_r_d Not sure what you mean. Substantial parts of the MIMI protocol have been proposed by US, the matrix folks and the Wire folks. The IETF process is very transparent. Anyone can participate, either by just observing or actively contributing. All decisions and discussions are written down. That makes it easy to debunk false claims like yours :)

@krille @phoenix_r_d We've been having extensive discussions about this in various IETF groups, with both Matrix and XMPP folks. We are very open to either adhering to existing standards or helping shape new ones. Sometimes you have to start fresh though, that's exactly what we did with MLS and MIMI. I don't see why this couldn't be repeated for s c2s protocol. Either way, join the working groups and propose your ideas!

@krille @phoenix_r_d Yes, neither the matrix protocol nor XMPP protect metadata well enough unfortunately.

@krille @phoenix_r_d That’s why we helped start the IETF MIMI working group to get everyone around the table