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1. Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠) (clackemovedtoheldscalla@quitter.se)'s status on Saturday, 10-Sep-2016 09:05:03 UTC Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠)

   • Jookia
   • Beni Grind
   @jookia @notnavigium I have the opposite experience, mostly because the Nix language is obscure. Maybe after the threshold it gets easier.
   • Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠) (clackemovedtoheldscalla@quitter.se)'s status on Friday, 09-Sep-2016 20:21:23 UTC Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠)
     Wow, #nix 1.11.4 suddenly. It's been 1.11.2 forever and then 1.11.3 came out the other week. Exciting times in the Nix world?
   • Beni Grind (notnavigium@gnusocial.ch)'s status on Friday, 09-Sep-2016 20:38:37 UTC Beni Grind

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     @clacke nix package manager or OS? I'm considering using nix or guix as secondary package manager, but I could never decide which one of the two.
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   • Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠) (clackemovedtoheldscalla@quitter.se)'s status on Friday, 09-Sep-2016 21:36:26 UTC Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠)

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     • Beni Grind
     @notnavigium 1.11.4 is Nix, NixOS is 16.03.
     
     Choose both. I Nix on my GuixSD, Guix on my NixOS and Guix+Nix on my Ubuntu and Debian.
   • Beni Grind (notnavigium@gnusocial.ch)'s status on Saturday, 10-Sep-2016 05:14:02 UTC Beni Grind

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     @clacke what are the main differences between the two?
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   • Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠) (clackemovedtoheldscalla@quitter.se)'s status on Saturday, 10-Sep-2016 06:46:03 UTC Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠)

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     • Beni Grind
     @notnavigium Nix: More mature, more packages, more pragmatic about Freedom. Guix: More GNU, more Scheme, more Emacs, more usability.
   • Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠) (clackemovedtoheldscalla@quitter.se)'s status on Saturday, 10-Sep-2016 06:53:21 UTC Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠)

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     • Beni Grind
     @notnavigium I like Guix's CLI better, and I like its package definitions better. Also, GuixSD has more expressive service definitions.
   • Jookia (jookia@quitter.se)'s status on Saturday, 10-Sep-2016 07:55:26 UTC Jookia

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     @clacke @notnavigium Worth nothing that NixOS is easier to contribute to than GuixSD and has more expected features (LVM for example)
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   • Jookia (jookia@quitter.se)'s status on Saturday, 10-Sep-2016 08:01:09 UTC Jookia

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     @clacke @notnavigium The CLI is much better, but it can do weird things like bricking your Guix system since you can't rollback 'pull'
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   • Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠) (clackemovedtoheldscalla@quitter.se)'s status on Saturday, 10-Sep-2016 09:03:38 UTC Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠)

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     • Jookia
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     @jookia @notnavigium Yes, LVM is part of the "mature" part. Guix just recently got GNOME.
     
     I found Guix easy to contribute to.
   • Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠) (clackemovedtoheldscalla@quitter.se)'s status on Saturday, 10-Sep-2016 09:09:24 UTC Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠)

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     • Jookia
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     @jookia @notnavigium True, I've had to deal with that. No idea why they abandoned Nix's idea of treating profiles and definitions the same.
   • Jookia (jookia@quitter.se)'s status on Saturday, 10-Sep-2016 11:39:48 UTC Jookia

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     @clacke @notnavigium You get a nigh unreadable stacktrace and pattern match error for missing a field in a package definition.
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   • Beni Grind (notnavigium@gnusocial.ch)'s status on Saturday, 10-Sep-2016 18:29:53 UTC Beni Grind

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     @jookia @clacke thank you guys for the tipps. Sounds like I'll try #nix first.. More robust and more packages sounds compelling even though I have to cope with a less capable CLI.
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   • Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠) (clackemovedtoheldscalla@quitter.se)'s status on Monday, 12-Sep-2016 11:42:20 UTC Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠)

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     • Jookia
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     @notnavigium @jookia Nix is the simplest, because it offers single-user curl | bash install without some of the benefits.
   • Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠) (clackemovedtoheldscalla@quitter.se)'s status on Monday, 12-Sep-2016 11:43:08 UTC Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠)

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     • Jookia
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     @notnavigium @jookia If you go proper multi-user Nix though, Guix is pretty much the same thing. Both are doable in total less than an hour.
   • Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠) (clackemovedtoheldscalla@quitter.se)'s status on Monday, 12-Sep-2016 11:43:49 UTC Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠)

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     • Jookia
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     @notnavigium @jookia Or, "Less than an hour to install, a lifetime to master", of course. ;-)
     
     I'll share my .bash_profile quirks.
   • Beni Grind (notnavigium@gnusocial.ch)'s status on Monday, 12-Sep-2016 11:53:04 UTC Beni Grind

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     @clacke @jookia I figure if I'm the only user on my laptop it's not very useful to do anything else than a single-user install, or are there any benefits in this case, too?
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   • Beni Grind (notnavigium@gnusocial.ch)'s status on Monday, 12-Sep-2016 11:53:59 UTC Beni Grind

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     • Jookia
     @clacke @jookia I'd be very interested, especially if these quirks are easily modifiable to be .zprofile quirks.
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   • Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠) (clackemovedtoheldscalla@quitter.se)'s status on Monday, 12-Sep-2016 12:56:01 UTC Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠)

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     • Jookia
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     @notnavigium @jookia Mainly the feeling of Doing Things Right. :-)
     
     But also possibly the benefit of protecting against yourself.
   • Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠) (clackemovedtoheldscalla@quitter.se)'s status on Monday, 12-Sep-2016 12:56:45 UTC Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠)

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     • Jookia
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     @notnavigium @jookia Mainly just environment variables, so definitely transferable. I'll put something up when I'm back from work.
   • Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠) (clackemovedtoheldscalla@quitter.se)'s status on Monday, 12-Sep-2016 21:10:31 UTC Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠)

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     • Jookia
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     @notnavigium @jookia http://qttr.at/1h26 ( hashify.me )
   • Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠) (clackemovedtoheldscalla@quitter.se)'s status on Monday, 12-Sep-2016 21:15:40 UTC Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠)

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     • Jookia
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     @jookia @notnavigium Lines wrapped a bit confusingly maybe. This may be more readable: http://qttr.at/1h27 ( hashify.me )
   • Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠) (clackemovedtoheldscalla@quitter.se)'s status on Monday, 12-Sep-2016 21:23:57 UTC Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠)

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     • Jookia
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     @jookia @notnavigium Last I made a mess, I recall the interpreter telling me so-and-so field missing. Admit I may be brain damaged though.