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1. MMN-o ✅⃠ (mmn@social.umeahackerspace.se)'s status on Wednesday, 23-Mar-2016 10:17:48 UTC MMN-o ✅⃠

   • drymer
   • LowEel
   @loweel I'm sure I could find lots of studies that show that people with secure (no big fears, life is easygoing, friends and family nearby) lives are less likely to commit any crime than people who feel left out of, or discriminated against by, society.
   Except maybe commiting large-scale economical fraud. I think that's an upper class kind of thing.
   • MMN-o ✅⃠ (mmn@social.umeahackerspace.se)'s status on Tuesday, 22-Mar-2016 10:53:27 UTC MMN-o ✅⃠

     • pztrn
     @pztrn It's not the "EU migrants" or refugees that set off bombs. Many of the ISIS followers are born and raised in EU countries but _leave_ the EU to join their cause.
     
     And even if it were the refugees, why aren't we seeing more chaos? With several hundreds of thousands of refugees and immigrants, everyday life goes on just as usual. We spend a little more money on housing newcomers but that'll pay off later.
     Remember that most of the people coming now are pretty well educated and had enough money to pay for smuggling themselves out of the country. At least more educated than the average inhabitant that complains how "dey dook urrr jerrrbs".
   • MMN-o ✅⃠ (mmn@social.umeahackerspace.se)'s status on Tuesday, 22-Mar-2016 10:57:22 UTC MMN-o ✅⃠

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     • pztrn
     @pztrn I'm not sure what you mean with "migrant" in this case btw, I think we have different definitions. When I wrote "EU migrant" I mean people well within their rights to move within the eurozone (Romanian non-citizens that aren't allowed to get a personal ID number in their home country for example), but I'm guessing you mean people fleeing their countries in the middle east?
     
     I agree, however, that religion is a big factor in this. But I'm afraid it'd be like the South Park episode(s) with atheists going to war over which name to use for their unified alliance if we managed to get rid of God.
   • MMN-o ✅⃠ (mmn@social.umeahackerspace.se)'s status on Tuesday, 22-Mar-2016 11:23:07 UTC MMN-o ✅⃠

     • 玲音
     @mono Regardless if they're educated or not, we should provide shelter and a way into society.
     
     My main point is that we - I'm talking Sweden now at least - have more terrorism by native Swedes (burning down planned housing facilities etc.) than any kind of criminality from the refugees themselves. (apart from the occasional fight because we cramp so many people in shock from different cultures in the same small facilities)
     
     There are certainly things that should be improved regarding the stream of people arriving, but neglecting these peoples' humanitarian needs would be catastrophic for an honest society.
   • MMN-o ✅⃠ (mmn@social.umeahackerspace.se)'s status on Tuesday, 22-Mar-2016 11:32:12 UTC MMN-o ✅⃠

     • 玲音
     > I don't think two major terror attacks with hundreds of casualties in 4 months is 'as usual' either.
     
     Since this assumes that there is a direct correlation between migrants and the increase of terrorist acts I feel I need to inform you that ISIS is pretty well financed and not built up of poor refugees trying to find a place to live in a new, foreign world.
     Thus terrorist bombings and mass migration of people fleeing oppressive regimes are highly likely two separate phenomenons.
   • MMN-o ✅⃠ (mmn@social.umeahackerspace.se)'s status on Tuesday, 22-Mar-2016 11:49:19 UTC MMN-o ✅⃠

     • 玲音
     @mono This just means we need to show them what a nice society we have and welcome them so they don't resent their new home. Making friends and joining society will rapidly decrease the interest of attacking named society.
     
     Also, you're forgetting we already have criminality and terrorism and organised crime in our society. I'd guess from the top of my head that the percentages are comparable.
   • MMN-o ✅⃠ (mmn@social.umeahackerspace.se)'s status on Tuesday, 22-Mar-2016 11:51:25 UTC MMN-o ✅⃠

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     • 玲音
     @mono Sounds like you think people are pre-programmed to be terrorists and no matter what we do (give them a safe, stimulating place to live where they can think about other things than war and anger), they'll suddenly turn sour and start killing people. That's a fucked up way of thinking. Terrorism isn't in our genes. Protectiveness of our own is, but who we choose to see as "our own" is not written in stone.
   • MMN-o ✅⃠ (mmn@social.umeahackerspace.se)'s status on Tuesday, 22-Mar-2016 12:00:36 UTC MMN-o ✅⃠

     • 玲音
     @mono You're saying that ISIS/whatever has manipulated, programmed and sent hundreds of thousands of people marching into Europe without sustenance, with risk of death in order to just wait for whatever undefined time before they start bombing the shit out of the place they have travelled to instead of just living there in peace?
     
     If they had such powerful control over (even some of) these people, why wouldn't they do something more creative? Why invade Europe?! It doesn't make any sense. So it's highly unlikely there is a massive conspiracy of muslim invaders. Maybe aliens though.
   • MMN-o ✅⃠ (mmn@social.umeahackerspace.se)'s status on Tuesday, 22-Mar-2016 12:00:47 UTC MMN-o ✅⃠

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     illegal aliens, haw haw
   • MMN-o ✅⃠ (mmn@social.umeahackerspace.se)'s status on Tuesday, 22-Mar-2016 12:04:17 UTC MMN-o ✅⃠

     • 玲音
     @mono Sorry, I don't have a source handy on criminality rates in various societies around the world. Either way, I don't think this is a very good discussion medium for fact-packed subjects.
   • MMN-o ✅⃠ (mmn@social.umeahackerspace.se)'s status on Tuesday, 22-Mar-2016 12:16:07 UTC MMN-o ✅⃠

     • 玲音
     @mono ISIS is not a state.
     
     Also, spokespeople for organisations that claim greater jurisdiction than they actually possess tend to use big words and address many more people than they actually have any control or power over.
     
     If Angela Merkel said "We repeat our call to Germans across the world", do you think the average German living in the United States or the Philippines or Japan would care much of what she has to say?
   • MMN-o ✅⃠ (mmn@social.umeahackerspace.se)'s status on Tuesday, 22-Mar-2016 12:24:35 UTC MMN-o ✅⃠

     • 玲音
     @mono To read those numbers properly I would also like an in-depth academical study that takes into account the social welfare in those countries. I.e. if a person comes from a violent country: is it more or less likely to commit a violent crime in the new country; is it the surrounding social environment that causes/prevents acts of aggression and crime?
     
     You can't point to a table of statistics and say "this person comes from that country which means that specific person in any other environment has the same likelihood of commiting crimes".
   • Petter SA2PKA Karkea (fnadde42@social.umeahackerspace.se)'s status on Tuesday, 22-Mar-2016 12:27:43 UTC Petter SA2PKA Karkea

     • 玲音
     @mono @mmn The statistics on terror attacks in #Europe -> https://social.umeahackerspace.se/notice/318870
     MMN-o ✅⃠ repeated this.
   • MMN-o ✅⃠ (mmn@social.umeahackerspace.se)'s status on Tuesday, 22-Mar-2016 12:28:50 UTC MMN-o ✅⃠

     • Christmas Personified as a Catgirl
     • 玲音
     @mono THIS EMPIRE STATE OF GNU SOCIAL. KNEEL BEFORE @moonman
     
     PS. That statement doesn't make this a state.
   • MMN-o ✅⃠ (mmn@social.umeahackerspace.se)'s status on Tuesday, 22-Mar-2016 12:34:36 UTC MMN-o ✅⃠

     • 玲音
     @mono Statistics is built on data that has already happened. If you fundamentally change one of the factors in the study, such as moving people to an entirely different society where they will be the minority, that collected information doesn't get you very far.
     
     Maybe it can help to build a profile on how to welcome these new people, how they should be treated and what expectations they have. But your assumptions on how useful those tables are in this scenario aren't very impressive.
   • MMN-o ✅⃠ (mmn@social.umeahackerspace.se)'s status on Tuesday, 22-Mar-2016 13:06:07 UTC MMN-o ✅⃠

     • 玲音
     @mono Ebola is contagious regardless of your political or religious opinions, or which country you were born in or which society you grew up in.
   • MMN-o ✅⃠ (mmn@social.umeahackerspace.se)'s status on Tuesday, 22-Mar-2016 13:36:08 UTC MMN-o ✅⃠

     • Petter SA2PKA Karkea
     @fnadde42 There have been a killing or two at some refugee housings, and certain individuals from these places have killed outside of the accommodations. But these are still extremely few compared to the amount of new people and how certain people are that many of them belong to "terrorist sleeper cells". :)
   • MMN-o ✅⃠ (mmn@social.umeahackerspace.se)'s status on Tuesday, 22-Mar-2016 13:40:06 UTC MMN-o ✅⃠

     • 玲音
     @mono > Germans aren't killed for disobeying a call to war.
     
     Now where's #Godwin when you need him? :)
   • MMN-o ✅⃠ (mmn@social.umeahackerspace.se)'s status on Wednesday, 23-Mar-2016 10:19:50 UTC MMN-o ✅⃠

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     • LowEel
     @loweel this is also why some countries have higher crimerates, because their social justice isn't on par with inhabitants' needs.