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1. Old account (internetturtle@quitter.se)'s status on Sunday, 20-Mar-2016 02:42:21 UTC Old account

   • Anarchism and Anarcho-syndicalism
   !anarchism #c4ss "Free Market Capitalism" is an Oxymoron - https://c4ss.org/content/3202
   • Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠) repeated this.
   • Christopher M. Hobbs (cmhobbs@loadaverage.org)'s status on Sunday, 20-Mar-2016 04:29:03 UTC Christopher M. Hobbs

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     • David Benfell
     @taknamay @benfell is #c4ss anarcho-capitalist?
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   • David Benfell (benfell@cybernude.org)'s status on Sunday, 20-Mar-2016 04:41:57 UTC David Benfell

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     • Christopher M. Hobbs
     I think not. https://c4ss.org/
     Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠) repeated this.
   • Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠) (clackemovedtoheldscalla@quitter.se)'s status on Sunday, 20-Mar-2016 06:34:04 UTC Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠)

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     • Christopher M. Hobbs
     • David Benfell
     @benfell @cmhobbs "Left Market Anarchism" sounds like a complex position on the spectrum. @taknamay, do you know enough to elaborate?
   • Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠) (clackemovedtoheldscalla@quitter.se)'s status on Sunday, 20-Mar-2016 06:35:43 UTC Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠)

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     • Christopher M. Hobbs
     • David Benfell
     @benfell @cmhobbs That article does come down pretty hard on the anarcap side, although the terminology might lead one to think otherwise.
   • David Benfell (benfell@cybernude.org)'s status on Monday, 21-Mar-2016 04:56:28 UTC David Benfell

     • Mangolazi
     So, to actually answer your point, what happens is that what I call 'true' capitalism aligns with authoritarianism and what I call 'true' communism aligns with anarchism. You can have authoritarian socialism, e.g. Lenin and lots of so-called 'communist' but really socialist (centrally-planned) societies, but just as Mikhail Bakunin predicted a long time ago, you can't get to an anarchist society by authoritarian means. You can try for capitalist libertarianism, but then your system of exchange privileges whomever is most able to say no, just as Max Weber pointed out something like a century ago. And it turns out that very few capitalist libertarians are all that libertarian on the Political Compass.
     Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠) repeated this.
   • Bob Mottram (bob@primatemind.info)'s status on Monday, 21-Mar-2016 17:43:22 UTC Bob Mottram

     • Christopher M. Hobbs
     • Danyl Strype
     @cmhobbs @strypey I don't know much about Indymedia, but if the media isn't doing the job (see Churnalism and the book Fraudcast news) then becoming the media yourself seems like a good idea.
     
     https://fraudcastnews.wordpress.com
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   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Friday, 25-Mar-2016 04:00:36 UTC Danyl Strype

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     • Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠)
     • Christopher M. Hobbs
     • David Benfell
     @clacke @cmhobbs @taknamay @benfell the basic claim is that "capitalism", as defined by Marx and as practiced, suppresses real free markets
     Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠) repeated this.
   • David Benfell (benfell@cybernude.org)'s status on Friday, 25-Mar-2016 11:39:33 UTC David Benfell

     • Mangolazi
     The great lesson of Marx and Lenin is that one cannot achieve an anti-authoritarian objective through authoritarian means. (Too bad they didn't listen to Bakunin.) Parecon repeats the Marxist-Leninist mistake.
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   • Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠) (clackemovedtoheldscalla@quitter.se)'s status on Friday, 25-Mar-2016 11:51:08 UTC Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠)

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     • Christopher M. Hobbs
     • David Benfell
     • Danyl Strype
     @strypey @cmhobbs @benfell @taknamay Yeah, I noticed that they talked of "capitalism" as anarcaps talk of corporatism and crony capitalism.
   • Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠) (clackemovedtoheldscalla@quitter.se)'s status on Friday, 25-Mar-2016 11:52:12 UTC Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠)

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     • Christopher M. Hobbs
     • David Benfell
     • Danyl Strype
     @strypey @cmhobbs @benfell @taknamay ... which is why I got the impression they're anarcaps with alternative, left-inspired terminology.