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1. stig atle (stigatle@quitter.no)'s status on Thursday, 28-Jan-2016 06:03:07 UTC stig atle

   • dis.k
   @disk All the projects they have on that sites links to a github repo with source code.
   https://github.com/GPUOpen-ProfessionalCompute-Tools
   https://github.com/GPUOpen-Effects
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   • stig atle (stigatle@quitter.no)'s status on Thursday, 28-Jan-2016 05:51:16 UTC stig atle
     AMD has launched GPUOpen, a middleware software suite that offers a set of tools and resources for video game and graphics developers to help them exert more control over the GPU.
     
     http://gpuopen.com/welcometogpuopen/
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   • dis.k (disk@loadaverage.org)'s status on Thursday, 28-Jan-2016 06:10:17 UTC dis.k

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     But the nonfree firmware remains a dependency, and come amdgpu, the userspace blob will also have a headstart. That's my worry. AMD obscures that all their openness is built upon nonfree, non-replaceable software.
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   • stig atle (stigatle@quitter.no)'s status on Thursday, 28-Jan-2016 06:17:35 UTC stig atle

     • dis.k
     @disk I understand. but still - if there is no choice yet - then there is no choice.
     But who knows what the future will bring?
     
     Some times (like for example in the type of thing I do as my daily job) you cannot fully rely on just open source and free stuff, because some times there simply does not exist a alternative yet. We often simply do not have a choice. However when a open source tool pops up that can replace that proprietary blob then we swap it out with that when we can.
     
     I'm all for open source and free software, but I also rely on getting the job done, and often that means that I have to use proprietary stuff until a alternative comes along.
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   • dis.k (disk@loadaverage.org)'s status on Thursday, 28-Jan-2016 07:35:19 UTC dis.k

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     I'm not disagreeing. As I wrote, three years ago my choice was between not having a computer, having a computer with Intel or nVidia components that was as nonfree at it gets, or having an AMD one with just nonfree firmware. I made the compromise and went with AMD. It made sense then.
     
     The thing is that if we stop demanding more now, we won't even keep what we already have. Case in point, AMD used to support Coreboot but not any more. Another case was Intel switching to nonfree firmware for their newer gfx chipsets, when they used to be the only vendor with free gfx firmware.
     
     If we start being soft on hardware vendors, we will allow them to retrogress back to the point we had to use ndiswrapper to have wifi on our computers. It's tough and inconvenient, but we have to be vocal all the time, because it's easy to lose what we gained.
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   • Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠) (clackemovedtoheldscalla@quitter.se)'s status on Thursday, 28-Jan-2016 08:04:45 UTC Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠)

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     • dis.k
     @stigatle @disk There's "don't do that job, you could be a carpenter". But you need to understand that which you want to replace.
   • Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠) (clackemovedtoheldscalla@quitter.se)'s status on Thursday, 28-Jan-2016 08:08:03 UTC Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠)

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     • dis.k
     @disk @stigatle  So, it's "open" as in "public specifications, secret implementations"?