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1. Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Monday, 25-Jan-2016 11:01:49 UTC Danyl Strype

   • nds
   • Jookia
   • Anna Grímsdóttir
   @jookia @grimsdottir @nds unless something major changes, the GNU Project does not have the capacity, regardless of licensing issues
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   • nds (nds@micro.fragdev.com)'s status on Saturday, 23-Jan-2016 17:59:57 UTC nds
     After 26 years of hurd failing to deliver a working kernel, would it not be more expedient at this point for GNU/FSF to start a completely new free software kernel project?
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   • Anna Grímsdóttir (grimsdottir@quitter.se)'s status on Saturday, 23-Jan-2016 18:08:31 UTC Anna Grímsdóttir

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     • nds
     @nds Does the community even need a new kernel ? Linux is GPLv2 and widely supported. Hurd is more a research toy now.
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   • Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠) (clackemovedtoheldscalla@quitter.se)'s status on Saturday, 23-Jan-2016 20:07:54 UTC Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠)

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     • nds
     @nds The most expedient would be to adapt an existing working kernel. Which was done back in the 90s already. HURD is a curiosity. :-)
   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Monday, 25-Jan-2016 10:57:03 UTC Danyl Strype

     • nds
     • Jookia
     • Anna Grímsdóttir
     @jookia @grimsdottir @nds 1) this message is 15 years old
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   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Monday, 25-Jan-2016 11:00:13 UTC Danyl Strype

     • nds
     • Jookia
     • Anna Grímsdóttir
     @jookia @grimsdottir @nds what this tells us is that in 2000 some parts of Linux were definitely under "or later", and may still be
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   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Monday, 25-Jan-2016 11:01:10 UTC Danyl Strype

     • nds
     • Jookia
     • Anna Grímsdóttir
     @jookia @grimsdottir @nds but forking the kernel means finding someone to take over the *massive* job Linus does; both coding + coordination
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   • Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠) (clackemovedtoheldscalla@quitter.se)'s status on Monday, 25-Jan-2016 22:44:21 UTC Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠)

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     • nds
     • Jookia
     • Anna Grímsdóttir
     @strypey @jookia @grimsdottir @nds When the GPLv3 finally came out several years later, Linus's stance had been adopted by most core devs.
   • Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠) (clackemovedtoheldscalla@quitter.se)'s status on Monday, 25-Jan-2016 22:45:36 UTC Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠)

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     • nds
     • Jookia
     • Anna Grímsdóttir
     @strypey @jookia @grimsdottir @nds Might have been, if we didn't know that they aren't. The GPLv2+ parts are disjoint fragments.
   • Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠) (clackemovedtoheldscalla@quitter.se)'s status on Monday, 25-Jan-2016 22:47:52 UTC Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠)

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     • nds
     • Jookia
     • Anna Grímsdóttir
     @strypey @jookia @grimsdottir @nds That's a real issue. Apart from finding+replacing GPLv2 parts, GNU also lacks capacity to manage a fork.
   • nds (nds@micro.fragdev.com)'s status on Monday, 25-Jan-2016 23:21:07 UTC nds

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     • Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠)
     • Anna Grímsdóttir
     @strypey @jookia @grimsdottir @clacke well, same was true of Linus back in the day. Until it worked and worked well, and was picked up by others, and became a major project…
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   • lnxw48 (Linux Walt) (lnxw48@fresh.federati.net)'s status on Monday, 25-Jan-2016 23:33:27 UTC lnxw48 (Linux Walt)

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     • Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠)
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     • nds
     • Anna Grímsdóttir
     @nds @strypey @jookia @grimsdottir @clacke Why does it have to be @FSF that does this? It would be great to have at least one alternative kernel for GNU-based OSes, but it does not have to mean that #FSF / #GNU creates said kernel.
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   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Monday, 25-Jan-2016 23:48:47 UTC Danyl Strype

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     • Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠)
     • nds
     • Anna Grímsdóttir
     @nds @clacke @grimsdottir the proof is the HURD. If they had the capacity to complete a kernel, they never would have needed Linux.
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   • nds (nds@micro.fragdev.com)'s status on Monday, 25-Jan-2016 23:58:10 UTC nds

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     • Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠)
     • Anna Grímsdóttir
     @clacke @grimsdottir @strypey OR, if there never was Linux, development effort may have coalesced around hurd… you never know… ;-)
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   • Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠) (clackemovedtoheldscalla@quitter.se)'s status on Tuesday, 26-Jan-2016 08:59:24 UTC Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠)

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     • lnxw48 (Linux Walt)
     • nds
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     @lnxw48 @nds @grimsdottir @FSF There are two within Debian: The HURD and the FreeBSD kernel.
   • Björn Schießle (bes@io.schiessle.org)'s status on Tuesday, 26-Jan-2016 09:48:05 UTC Björn Schießle

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     • Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠)
     • lnxw48 (Linux Walt)
     @lnxw48 @strypey @nds @clacke I'm sure that at some point we will have a new kernel, maybe even a complete new operating system. Nothing last forever. But I don't think it will happen just for a GPLv2 to Gplv3 license switch.
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