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1. Paul Pritchard (expatpaul@quitter.se)'s status on Saturday, 07-Feb-2015 23:46:11 UTC Paul Pritchard

   • Mikael
   @inscius Floridisation is cheap and effective. What is the strawman?
   • ghostDancer (ghostdancer@quitter.se)'s status on Saturday, 07-Feb-2015 16:49:23 UTC ghostDancer
     Why do many reasonable people doubt science? http://is.gd/3qu0fe #ngm #nationalgeographic #science #deniers
   • Former Bob Jonkman -- Please use the new server at https://gs.jonkman.ca (bobjonkmanformer@sn.jonkman.ca)'s status on Saturday, 07-Feb-2015 17:13:50 UTC Former Bob Jonkman -- Please use the new server at https://gs.jonkman.ca

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     • ghostDancer
     • Science (News, Articles, …)
     @ghostdancer I would posit that people who doubt !science are not reasonable
   • Paul Pritchard (expatpaul@quitter.se)'s status on Saturday, 07-Feb-2015 17:28:33 UTC Paul Pritchard

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     • ghostDancer
     @ghostdancer Can someone really claim to be reasonable if hey reject the mountains of evidence in front of them.
   • Temporary Marjolein (mk@oracle.skilledtests.com)'s status on Saturday, 07-Feb-2015 17:39:05 UTC Temporary Marjolein

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     • ghostDancer
     @ghostdancer that's a good read, thanks!
   • Paul Pritchard (expatpaul@quitter.se)'s status on Saturday, 07-Feb-2015 17:44:33 UTC Paul Pritchard

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     • ghostDancer
     Interesting RD @ghostdancer: Why do many reasonable people doubt science? http://is.gd/3qu0fe #ngm #nationalgeographic #science #deniers
   • Paul Pritchard (expatpaul@quitter.se)'s status on Saturday, 07-Feb-2015 17:46:06 UTC Paul Pritchard

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     • Former Bob Jonkman -- Please use the new server at https://gs.jonkman.ca
     • ghostDancer
     @bobjonkman That was my reaction, too. But the article is more about the way in which people fail to understand science /cc @ghostdancer
   • Paul Pritchard (expatpaul@quitter.se)'s status on Saturday, 07-Feb-2015 17:47:46 UTC Paul Pritchard

     • Mikael
     @inscius True... It's the skepticism and constant rechecking that is at the heart of the scientific method.
   • Paul Pritchard (expatpaul@quitter.se)'s status on Saturday, 07-Feb-2015 17:58:20 UTC Paul Pritchard

     • Mikael
     @inscius That depends on what you mean. In terms of validating data, facts are facts and results are results.
   • Paul Pritchard (expatpaul@quitter.se)'s status on Saturday, 07-Feb-2015 18:41:48 UTC Paul Pritchard

     • Mikael
     @inscius That's why replication is important. If lots of independent researchers reach the same result, you havce a hit.
   • Paul Pritchard (expatpaul@quitter.se)'s status on Saturday, 07-Feb-2015 18:45:20 UTC Paul Pritchard

     • Mikael
     @inscius If you could patent a cure for a chronic illness, you would have a licence to print money...
   • Paul Pritchard (expatpaul@quitter.se)'s status on Saturday, 07-Feb-2015 18:47:54 UTC Paul Pritchard

     • Mikael
     @inscius ... So I just don't see that this claim holds up at all. And no-one has ever shown any evidence for it.
   • Paul Pritchard (expatpaul@quitter.se)'s status on Saturday, 07-Feb-2015 18:50:25 UTC Paul Pritchard

     • Mikael
     @inscius This is why I wondered where you were going with your original dent...
   • Paul Pritchard (expatpaul@quitter.se)'s status on Saturday, 07-Feb-2015 18:51:08 UTC Paul Pritchard

     • Mikael
     @inscius There are problems with trial transparancy, this is what the AllTrials campaign is trying to address: http://www.alltrials.net/
   • Johnny Null (johnnynull@quitter.se)'s status on Saturday, 07-Feb-2015 18:53:12 UTC Johnny Null

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     • Mikael
     @expatpaul @inscius Eh, depends. You see that dietary changes are downvoted by docs and operations are pushed.
   • Johnny Null (johnnynull@quitter.se)'s status on Saturday, 07-Feb-2015 18:54:02 UTC Johnny Null

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     • Mikael
     @expatpaul @inscius Also there's examples like the lawsuit against the low cost of AIDs meds in third-world countries.
   • Johnny Null (johnnynull@quitter.se)'s status on Saturday, 07-Feb-2015 18:54:23 UTC Johnny Null

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     • Mikael
     @expatpaul @inscius It is a business, full stop.
   • Paul Pritchard (expatpaul@quitter.se)'s status on Saturday, 07-Feb-2015 19:04:40 UTC Paul Pritchard

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     • Johnny Null
     @johnnynull You seem to be going off on a bit of a tangent...
   • Paul Pritchard (expatpaul@quitter.se)'s status on Saturday, 07-Feb-2015 19:05:21 UTC Paul Pritchard

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     • Johnny Null
     @johnnynull Of course it's a business, and of course it's more profitable to sell patent-protected drugs is developed countries...
   • Paul Pritchard (expatpaul@quitter.se)'s status on Saturday, 07-Feb-2015 19:06:05 UTC Paul Pritchard

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     • Johnny Null
     @johnnynull But I find it hard to believe that an entire industry would conspire to reduce their own profits.
   • Johnny Null (johnnynull@quitter.se)'s status on Saturday, 07-Feb-2015 19:09:33 UTC Johnny Null

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     @expatpaul Splain.
   • Johnny Null (johnnynull@quitter.se)'s status on Saturday, 07-Feb-2015 19:10:48 UTC Johnny Null

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     @expatpaul I agree. However, a single one-shot drug is NOT more profitable. I don't know why you think it would be.
   • Paul Pritchard (expatpaul@quitter.se)'s status on Saturday, 07-Feb-2015 19:10:49 UTC Paul Pritchard

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     • Johnny Null
     @johnnynull Which bit?
   • Johnny Null (johnnynull@quitter.se)'s status on Saturday, 07-Feb-2015 19:13:15 UTC Johnny Null

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     @expatpaul I'm not understanding how I am tangent-ifying.
   • Paul Pritchard (expatpaul@quitter.se)'s status on Saturday, 07-Feb-2015 19:15:31 UTC Paul Pritchard

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     • Johnny Null
     @johnnynull You're talking more about profiteering than about the trustworthiness of test results. Or am I wrong?
   • Johnny Null (johnnynull@quitter.se)'s status on Saturday, 07-Feb-2015 19:16:18 UTC Johnny Null

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     @expatpaul Yes. Reading the snippet of the conversation, I thought that was the topic. My apologies.
   • Paul Pritchard (expatpaul@quitter.se)'s status on Saturday, 07-Feb-2015 19:20:12 UTC Paul Pritchard

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     • Johnny Null
     @johnnynull No worries :-)
   • Paul Pritchard (expatpaul@quitter.se)'s status on Saturday, 07-Feb-2015 19:23:44 UTC Paul Pritchard

     • Mikael
     @inscius This claim: https://quitter.se/notice/3402181 It's an unlikely claim for which there is no evidence.
   • Paul Pritchard (expatpaul@quitter.se)'s status on Saturday, 07-Feb-2015 19:25:37 UTC Paul Pritchard

     • Mikael
     @inscius But you do need to be clear about what you are talking about, otherwise confusion reigns.
   • Johnny Null (johnnynull@quitter.se)'s status on Saturday, 07-Feb-2015 19:34:55 UTC Johnny Null

     • Mikael
     @inscius @expatpaul There's interests, conflict of, and so on. Also political crap. And inertia. Look to low-fat craze or cholesterol.
   • Johnny Null (johnnynull@quitter.se)'s status on Saturday, 07-Feb-2015 19:35:36 UTC Johnny Null

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     • Mikael
     @expatpaul @inscius Perhaps restate (or point to) the original statement. And sorry if I've just further muddied the waters.
   • Paul Pritchard (expatpaul@quitter.se)'s status on Saturday, 07-Feb-2015 20:04:50 UTC Paul Pritchard

     • Mikael
     @inscius That would rely on an unfeasibly large conspiracy to work and for no-one to be tempted by a multi-billion Euro patent...
   • Paul Pritchard (expatpaul@quitter.se)'s status on Saturday, 07-Feb-2015 20:05:47 UTC Paul Pritchard

     • Mikael
     @inscius You need to produce some evidence for this.
   • Paul Pritchard (expatpaul@quitter.se)'s status on Saturday, 07-Feb-2015 20:06:34 UTC Paul Pritchard

     • Mikael
     @inscius That's kind of where the original article was going. Science is a process, not an answer.
   • Johnny Null (johnnynull@quitter.se)'s status on Saturday, 07-Feb-2015 20:21:12 UTC Johnny Null

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     • Mikael
     @expatpaul You really need proof that 100*$5 is > than 1*$250? /cc @inscius
   • Johnny Null (johnnynull@quitter.se)'s status on Saturday, 07-Feb-2015 20:21:38 UTC Johnny Null

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     • Mikael
     @expatpaul @inscius This.
   • ghostDancer (ghostdancer@quitter.se)'s status on Saturday, 07-Feb-2015 20:34:48 UTC ghostDancer

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     @expatpaul I've met reasonable people but when you talk certain subjects their IQ goes through the window
   • ghostDancer (ghostdancer@quitter.se)'s status on Saturday, 07-Feb-2015 20:40:09 UTC ghostDancer

     • Andrew
     @speeddefrost i agree, always check the facts and the source, too many sponsored "studies" with hidden intentions
   • Paul Pritchard (expatpaul@quitter.se)'s status on Saturday, 07-Feb-2015 20:43:33 UTC Paul Pritchard

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     • ghostDancer
     @ghostdancer Fair point. I think the article I'd a lot better than the title.
   • Paul Pritchard (expatpaul@quitter.se)'s status on Saturday, 07-Feb-2015 20:44:34 UTC Paul Pritchard

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     • Johnny Null
     @johnnynull Aaaand... Where did you get those numbers from?
   • Paul Pritchard (expatpaul@quitter.se)'s status on Saturday, 07-Feb-2015 20:45:50 UTC Paul Pritchard

     • Mikael
     @inscius The article is a lot more thoughtful than the title suggests.
   • Paul Pritchard (expatpaul@quitter.se)'s status on Saturday, 07-Feb-2015 20:46:50 UTC Paul Pritchard

     • Mikael
     @inscius It depends on what you can charge for each treatment. Also, why is not one else stepping in to sell the other treatment?
   • Paul Pritchard (expatpaul@quitter.se)'s status on Saturday, 07-Feb-2015 20:49:14 UTC Paul Pritchard

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     • ghostDancer
     @ghostdancer Now would me a good time to mention the AllTrials campaign, which addresses many of these issues: http://www.alltrials.net/
   • Johnny Null (johnnynull@quitter.se)'s status on Saturday, 07-Feb-2015 21:23:26 UTC Johnny Null

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     @expatpaul What? You DO understand that patents on medicines expire, right?
   • Paul Pritchard (expatpaul@quitter.se)'s status on Saturday, 07-Feb-2015 23:44:28 UTC Paul Pritchard

     • Mikael
     @inscius Granted. But the fact that many medicines are palliative does not prove that a cure exists.
     Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠) repeated this.
   • Paul Pritchard (expatpaul@quitter.se)'s status on Saturday, 07-Feb-2015 23:46:41 UTC Paul Pritchard

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     • Johnny Null
     @johnnynull And then, with a minor tweak, it can be patented all over again. 'Tis documented.
   • Johnny Null (johnnynull@quitter.se)'s status on Saturday, 07-Feb-2015 23:55:16 UTC Johnny Null

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     @expatpaul K. But the original "cure" still works and can be made by any company for pennies compared to the original.
   • Johnny Null (johnnynull@quitter.se)'s status on Saturday, 07-Feb-2015 23:55:35 UTC Johnny Null

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     @expatpaul This is simply how all the systems work. Like grade-school level.
   • Paul Pritchard (expatpaul@quitter.se)'s status on Sunday, 08-Feb-2015 00:04:51 UTC Paul Pritchard

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     • Johnny Null
     @johnnynull True. But the marketing departments are good at pushing the more expensive alternatives - it's what they're paid for.
   • Johnny Null (johnnynull@quitter.se)'s status on Sunday, 08-Feb-2015 00:31:43 UTC Johnny Null

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     @expatpaul Look, you're being foolish now and moving the goalposts. Both the Conspiracy Theorists and the Twinkle Ponies are fools.
   • Mikael (inscius@quitter.se)'s status on Sunday, 08-Feb-2015 05:23:35 UTC Mikael

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     @expatpaul I checked now. It seems few if any public water systems add fluor to water here in Sweden anymore.
     Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠) repeated this.
   • Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠) (clackemovedtoheldscalla@quitter.se)'s status on Monday, 09-Feb-2015 13:54:35 UTC Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠)

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     • Mikael
     @inscius @expatpaul "anymore"? Sweden never did. Less of an issue these days though, when "everyone" brushes their teeth with fluoride paste