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1. Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅 (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Sunday, 21-Jul-2024 16:23:57 UTC Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅

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   • Richard Hendricks
   • Thomas Depierre
   • Leszek

   @Di4na Could you elaborate on what's unhelpful with using the #Therac25 story as a lesson?

   @hendric @makdaam

   • Richard Hendricks (hendric@astronomy.city)'s status on Sunday, 21-Jul-2024 16:23:58 UTC Richard Hendricks

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     • Thomas Depierre
     • Leszek

     @Di4na @makdaam Whenever I am forced to take the yearly Ethics course by a company, I just laugh the while time.

   • Thomas Depierre (di4na@hachyderm.io)'s status on Sunday, 21-Jul-2024 16:23:59 UTC Thomas Depierre

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     • Leszek

     @makdaam i mean the Horizon case also talked of how noone on the software side seems to even care. And that even software that is not "safety critical" is actually safety critical. And that knowing the domain matters, that distributed systems matter, etc etc

     For Dieselgate, there is more on the side of noone knowing wtf this was doing or how to achieve impossible standards

   • Leszek (makdaam@chaos.social)'s status on Sunday, 21-Jul-2024 16:24:03 UTC Leszek

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     • Thomas Depierre

     @Di4na One thing we can learn from the Horizon scandal is no matter how bad and harmful your software is, you can keep on doing what you're doing as long as your customer is ok with covering it up.

     I prefer the Therac case mostly because it covers multiple mistakes (changing assumptions, ignoring user feedback, reuse of code outside of its scope) and it had actual positive outcomes. Dieselgate might be a better case, since it teaches the developer they're on the hook, not the C-suite.

   • Thomas Depierre (di4na@hachyderm.io)'s status on Sunday, 21-Jul-2024 16:24:04 UTC Thomas Depierre

     • Leszek

     @makdaam yes. I regularly recommend we stop using it as a useful case study. It is utterly unrepresentative and obsolete and doesn't teach useful learnings.

     There are more modern cases that are far more useful. I would recommend the Horizon scandal as the reference one by now.