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1. wuzzy@cyberplace.social's status on Monday, 11-Sep-2023 16:36:02 UTC Wuzzy

   • PaulaToThePeople

   @PaulaToThePeople If sex and rape are a spectrum that would have terrible implications.

   I think there should be a hard red line when it's becoming rape and that red line is called "consent". I have no idea how there could be a "spectrum" of consent. Either you have it, or you don't. A "half consent" does not exist. A "consent spectrum" sounds like a great way for rapists to argue themselves out by misinterpreting words.

   • PaulaToThePeople (paulatothepeople@climatejustice.social)'s status on Monday, 11-Sep-2023 16:35:53 UTC PaulaToThePeople

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     @Wuzzy If I'm asexual, but don't know it (yet) and feel pressured by society to have sex, I will say yes to the person I love and mean it - even though I actually don't want sex.

     So now you're saying it's never okay to have sex with people against their will. So in other words sex is always rape, because you can never know, if the other person wants it.

     I still don't see a hard red line here.

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   • wuzzy@cyberplace.social's status on Monday, 11-Sep-2023 16:35:57 UTC Wuzzy

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     • PaulaToThePeople

     @PaulaToThePeople This doesn't make sense. If I don't want sex (I never want sex), I can't say yes and also "mean it". I clearly did not mean it in this situation, since I didn't want sex.

     And no, having sex with people against their will is never OK. I am the last one who would defend rape culture; I would only harm myself.

     I mostly agree with you; all I'm saying is that I view as consent as an "all-or-nothing" (the default being "nothing") rather than a "spectrum".

   • wuzzy@cyberplace.social's status on Monday, 11-Sep-2023 16:35:59 UTC Wuzzy

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     • PaulaToThePeople

     @PaulaToThePeople When there is no consent or consent was violated. Examples:

     * You said "no".
     * Your body language clearly signalled rejection
     * You said the safe word yet it continued
     * You said "yes" but were threatened, trapped, in danger, etc.
     * You gave consent at first but revoked it during the act but it continued anyway against your will
     * When it was ambigious/unclear. In that case, it should be assumed as "no consent" to be safe

   • PaulaToThePeople (paulatothepeople@climatejustice.social)'s status on Monday, 11-Sep-2023 16:35:59 UTC PaulaToThePeople

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     @Wuzzy So having sex with someone who doesn't want sex, but said yes and meant it is okay?

   • PaulaToThePeople (paulatothepeople@climatejustice.social)'s status on Monday, 11-Sep-2023 16:36:00 UTC PaulaToThePeople

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     @Wuzzy Then where would you put that hard red line you were talking about?

   • wuzzy@cyberplace.social's status on Monday, 11-Sep-2023 16:36:01 UTC Wuzzy

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     • PaulaToThePeople

     @PaulaToThePeople You literally said "Rape and sex are a spectrum." and I strongly disagree with that sentence specifically.

     I *do* agree with that it takes more than a simple "yes" for proper consent tho.

   • PaulaToThePeople (paulatothepeople@climatejustice.social)'s status on Monday, 11-Sep-2023 16:36:02 UTC PaulaToThePeople

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     @Wuzzy Did you even read my post? I give examples on how consent is obviously on a spectrum, how yes is not always yes.