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@lxo Euromaidan wasn't a US operation. It was a response to leaders who ignored their country's Orange Revolution a few years earlier. These were popular movements based on turning West ... away from centuries of cultural and physical genocide by their Russian neighbors.
And this is an example of where extremo-left propaganda and extremo-right propaganda align. Both absolve Russia and Putin of any responsibility. When they expand the active war to Moldova, how will they juggle the facts to blame USA? We all know they will.
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@lxo This is where your politics cause delusions. There was no diplomatic effort that could have prevented this part of the war. It was give up your country piece by piece, or we'll invade. They had already tried the piece by piece thing in 2014, so the knew this was a fight for national survival.
Your delusion is that the US did this to Ukraine. This is Vladimir Putin's sole doing and he could have called it off at any time.
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@lxo Are not the Ukranians entitled to determine their own path? Even if their choice is not the choice you and wsws would make for them? Because that is the real issue.
They chose to try to integrate into Europe, and your extremist groups wish them to submit to Russia's domination once more. Your chosen political organizations support the aggressor while pretending to be fair and neutral, and refuse a whole nation including its laborers the right to decide its own national path.
These groups should publish a list of nations they would condemn to servitude or extermination, so people can know what to expect when world events occur.
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> when it replaced a democratic Ukrainian government that defended neutrality with one that was friendly to the US
See, there's your propaganda showing.
Look at the history of US-sponsored coups and you'll see military and political leaders seizing power. Now look at the Orange Revolution and Euromaidan and you'll see the people assembling en masse and demanding that the government listen. That is not the US government at work. That is the people in the country voicing their opinion.
If you know as much as you claim to know about the ways the US operates, you would know that.
I would point out that neither of the leaders who were replaced in these events was "defending neutrality" by the news media of the time, but were trying to move closer to Russia's orbit. Which would have been quite okay, except that the nation as a whole objected strenuously. Twice. (And again, you would nullify the voice of the people of that country because you believe the propaganda that the evil US has manipulated things to cause this war.)
Then you say to watch a 93 minutes long video by some political scientist with a grudge, as though he's going to reveal something convincing to people who don't already believe the message that "the US is the source of all the world's evil".
Do you have something by someone credible, or is this guy the star witness?
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@lxo Okay, so then you'd rather hear someone "color the truth" with his grudges, as long as they are anti-American grudges. That is much more desirable to you than actual history and facts, even if your chosen viewpoint indirectly supports invaders and hurts victims.
I get it now, and I hope your "blame the victims and those that help them" attitude does not harm the free software movement, but I cannot see how it wouldn't.
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@lxo All you have to do is look at his list of videos and even you will see the grudges. But then, that’s why you listen to him.
Yes, you’re choosing to see and believe only those who reflect your anti-US viewpoint. It isn’t just me that sees this. I do wish you weren’t so blinded by your beliefs, but you are.
As for dependency, when someone gets invaded, you can stand back and cry about how unjust it is, or you can give the victims something to help them liberate themselves from their persecutors. I am glad that the western countries are (slowly and with great hesitation) doing the latter, while you cry for appeasing their persecutors and claim that the US and EU engineered the invasion.
But again I say that your extremism is harmful to the free software movement. Anyone who is not already brainwashed will see you claiming that endorsing injustice in Ukraine 🇺🇦 is just. Why would they not carry this over to your statements about software freedom?
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@lxo You say you're anti this and pro that. But when the facts say a nation's people made a choice you disagree with, you claim it is US meddling and that their decision is invalid.
That's not pro sovereignty, nor is it pro autonomy.
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