Chris Trottier
πR.I.P. BITCOINHACKERS.ORGπ
The Mastodon instance bitcoinhackers.org has shut down for good.
NVK cites many reasons for this. He doesn't believe Mastodon is "truly" decentralized, that users don't own their identities.
But what truly comes down to it is many instances were blocking them, keeping the crypto crowd out.
Right now, Bitcoin.org is pushing Nostr -- hoping others will follow them. That was predictable.
kcarruthers
@atomicpoet @fediversenews It is good that they are collecting all the crypto hucksters in one place
Chris Trottier
Now I'm not necessarily against Nostr.
I think if they got rid of all the crypto hucksters, it would be fairly nice. But as it stands, the entire community seems to be full of crypto hucksters.
Truth be told, I don't want to read about crypto. It's boring.
I'd rather hear people talk about movies or the weather or science or news, which is why I keep coming back to the Fediverse.
Social media isn't just about tech, it's about the community you nurture.
Chris Trottier
Now I'm going to agree with NVK on two things:
1. ActivityPub is not as decentralized as it could be
2. On the Fediverse, most people don't own their identity & data
However, unlike NVK, I believe those two critiques can be worked on.
The way to decentralize further is to essentially make it as easy as possible to start up and run a server.
And new methods for identity management are being worked on as we speak.
Chris Trottier
Also, I disagree with the notion that Nostr is "more" decentralized than ActivityPub.
It just has a different chokepoint.
What happens if everyone uses the same relay? Centralization.
And relays can be moderated.
Granted, it's harder moderate a Nostr relay than a Fediverse server.
But I don't think that's a good thing either.
Chris Trottier
Yesterday, I said that the "dark" part of the Fediverse was moving to Nostr.
This is because these folks don't like being "censored" and believe they are entitled to visibility.
They don't like moderation. That's what it comes down to.
They're fine with abuse and spam. In fact, they believe it's a net benefit to social media.
And when you look at Nostr now, that's what it pretty much is right now.
Chris Trottier
@MoonMan So distributed blocklists now βΊοΈ
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@atomicpoet @fediversenews ONE server that was ALL bitcoin maximalists shut down and suddenly "dark fedi is moving to nostr". they just found a place with more bitcoiners. they're not even edgy. a VERY small group of fedi people have been trolling nostr bc they hate them too and NOBODY is talking about leaving fedi. and nostr is now talking about distributed blocklists bc of <20 trolls, contrary to your assertion that they "don't care about abuse."
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@atomicpoet @fediversenews nothing you have written is true, you have misunderstood everything. i would have to write a comical length thread to refute it all. not even mad, just vicariously embarrassed for you right now.
Chris Trottier
@MoonMan I doubt that's what will happen. It will more likely be that a relay operator will see a list of 20,000 users, and say, "I don't have time to verify, I'm just going to take someone else's word for this."
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@atomicpoet they're less bad on nostr than here because a dipshit on a power trip can't lie and get 20,000 users on a single server fediblocked at once, they have to do it to individuals.
Chris Trottier
@MoonMan Can't wait till someone makes a block list of 20,000 users and distributes this among relays.
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@atomicpoet at least it will have been 20,000 individual considerations. anyway the way nostr works that won't accomplish much but there are other ways to mess with it. easiest way is to block anybody following somebody you already blocked. but i'm giving them free consultancy work now.
Jonathan Lamothe
Santa Claes πΈπͺππ°π
Chris Trottier
@ada @fediversenews It actually moved here: @mastodonusercount
Ada
@atomicpoet@mastodon.social @fediversenews@venera.social I'm going to miss their Fediverse membership growth bot...
Santa Claes πΈπͺππ°π
BitcoinLizard
"Without notice, the Mastodon instance bitcoinhackers.org has shut down for good."
This is just untrue. I can't prove it by linking to the posts now because the instance is gone but NVK announced that he was shuttering the instance months ago. People tried to get him to hand the instance over and have someone else operate it but he wouldn't do that because the DMs on #mastodon are unencrypted and he didn't feel comfortable letting someone else have that data.
Kevin Davidson
@azzageddi @atomicpoet @fediversenews Bluesky was never real. AFAICT it was a Dorsey vanity project that would ring fence some Twitter money for him to play with and distract from some of Twitterβs failings with a vague promise of jam tomorrow. Millions of dollars, years of engineering and still nothing to show for it with basic issues like moderation left out. Only forced to βlaunchβ by Twitterβs implosion.
David Farnell
@atomicpoet @fediversenews I would be very happy if all the bitcoin people self-segregated on a social media system all their own.
So am I right in thinking that Nostr is the hub that Bluesky is using? (I've done some searching and I'm still a bit confused.)
EDIT: Ah, I see now Nostr and Bluesky are not connected, other than maybe Jack Dorsey is involved in both?
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