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1. Bob Jonkman (bobjonkman@gs.jonkman.ca)'s status on Monday, 28-Nov-2022 13:59:08 UTC Bob Jonkman

   • LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864}
   @lnxw48a1 Ubuntu 22.04 has way too much reliance on snaps. Can't even get a regular install of Firefox, f'rinstance, only a snap.
   • Bob Jonkman (bobjonkman@gs.jonkman.ca)'s status on Monday, 28-Nov-2022 14:07:03 UTC Bob Jonkman

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     • LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864}
     @lnxw48a1 I switched to Ubuntu-MATE when they insisted in the Unity desktop, then to Debiab
   • Bob Jonkman (bobjonkman@gs.jonkman.ca)'s status on Monday, 28-Nov-2022 14:10:35 UTC Bob Jonkman

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     • LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864}
     @lnxw48a1 ...then to Debian with a MATE desktop in 2020. Far less faffing about, finally being productive. Sometimes...
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   • LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864} (lnxw48a1@nu.federati.net)'s status on Monday, 28-Nov-2022 18:11:00 UTC LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864}

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     @bobjonkman Yes, that was rather frustrating. I left to run errands and returned to find a pop-up informing me that my regular install of #Firefox would be converted to a snap install. Naturally, the installation stopped while it waited for me to acknowledge this.
   • LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864} (lnxw48a1@nu.federati.net)'s status on Monday, 28-Nov-2022 18:20:05 UTC LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864}

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     @bobjonkman I noticed that (at least the first time) #Firefox in a Snap has a long delay before it starts.
     
     No doubt that's time used in navigating through various security hoops or perhaps mounting a special filesystem, but for the most common software (name-brand web browsers), it is unnecessary and unwanted.
     
     I noticed that it did not put something like Node.js in a Snap. IMO, Node is the poster-child for Snap and Flatpak. It shouldn't be in the default install, it likely changes too fast for most distros' LTS model to handle well, and it is widely used by certain developers. If Snap / Flatpak / et cetera have some security hardening, Node (and its related 'npm' package manager) is exactly the place it is needed.