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1. Baldur Bjarnason (baldur@toot.cafe)'s status on Tuesday, 12-Jul-2022 17:00:39 UTC Baldur Bjarnason

   Idle thought of the day: if you assume that environmental crises, political instability, and authoritarian states are going to become more common over the next couple of decades, how would that change the way you design your websites and apps?

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   • Manuel Bärenz (turion@mastodon.art)'s status on Tuesday, 12-Jul-2022 17:28:18 UTC Manuel Bärenz

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     @baldur I would cut down on dependencies. I'd expect a lot of dependencies to become unmaintained once their maintainers are struggling for survival. And I'd look for ways to provide my share of a livelihood for the maintainers I really depend on.

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   • Baldur Bjarnason (baldur@toot.cafe)'s status on Tuesday, 12-Jul-2022 17:28:19 UTC Baldur Bjarnason

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     • Manuel Bärenz

     @turion I mean, if you're working on an app or website _today_ and you expect the next twenty years to be extremely unstable, would that change the way you design the app or website?

   • Manuel Bärenz (turion@mastodon.art)'s status on Tuesday, 12-Jul-2022 17:28:20 UTC Manuel Bärenz

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     @baldur For one, your employers would more commonly be government & militia agencies or capitalist warlords maybe?

   • Baldur Bjarnason (baldur@toot.cafe)'s status on Tuesday, 12-Jul-2022 17:28:35 UTC Baldur Bjarnason

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     • Manuel Bärenz

     @turion Yeah, which are probably good ideas in any case as it would foster a more sustainable dependency ecosystem even if things don't turn bad.

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   • Benjamin (blindcoder@toot.berlin)'s status on Tuesday, 12-Jul-2022 17:28:58 UTC Benjamin

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     @baldur with lots of logging and a laundry list of #lawfulinterception APIs so I can be compliant instead of executed.

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   • brennen (brennen@federation.p1k3.com)'s status on Tuesday, 12-Jul-2022 17:29:14 UTC brennen

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     @baldur

     > How would you design your app if you are worried that an authoritarian state might seize all of your user's data and work?

     at some level, the only way to protect these things is not to store them in the first place. "store nothing" is of course unrealistic for many practitioners (though it certainly guides my sense of whether i actually want to work on software)...

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   • Baldur Bjarnason (baldur@toot.cafe)'s status on Tuesday, 12-Jul-2022 17:29:15 UTC Baldur Bjarnason

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     How would you design your app if you are worried that an authoritarian state might seize all of your user's data and work?

     How would you design your website if you think the countries where your hosting datacentres are located might descend into civil war? Or get invaded?

     Most of us who are working on web apps and websites today are doing so in an unstable world. The UK and US are fast becoming more authoritarian so it might not be a hypothetical question for much longer.