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1. Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅 (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Tuesday, 12-Jul-2022 14:45:07 UTC Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅
   US people on abolishing the incredible 20% tip: "It would just end up in the menu prices instead!"
   
   Well duh, that's where it belongs. Put the sales tax there too while you're at it[0], I like my price tags honest and up front.
   
   [0] I don't know if US restaurants add sales tax, I'm mostly thinking of stores here, different flavor of the same annoyance.
   • John (john@liberdon.com)'s status on Tuesday, 12-Jul-2022 14:55:03 UTC John

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     @clacke
     The problem with including sales tax is that people get confused if a handful of items include it and most do not. Most items have price tags printed in one place and used in more than one town, county, and even state, so they'll have radically different amounts of sales tax.

   • Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅 (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Tuesday, 12-Jul-2022 14:55:03 UTC Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅

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     • John
     @john That's the problem with not including sales tax. If it's different everywhere you never know what you'll be paying. It's better if the chocolate bar says $0.5 and then you pay $0.5 instead of you having to compensate for longitude and latitude.
     
     Where I'm from the price tag is on the edge of the shelf, not on the item, and it's maintained by the shop. Back in the 80s the shop would put price tags on the items. The tags would literally have the name of the shop on them.
     
     Sorry, the strong need for national centralized price-tagging sounds like a knee-jerk reaction more than a real issue.
   • John (john@liberdon.com)'s status on Tuesday, 12-Jul-2022 14:55:29 UTC John

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     @clacke
     The argument about tipping is quite different, and I'm much more sympathetic to your view there. The pro-tip folks say they want to be able to vary the tip based on service provided, traditionally 20% would imply good service and 10% very bad service and 0% means the customer is considering pressing criminal charges.

     Studies have shown people don't really do that, though. Tips mostly vary based on how cheap the customer is.

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   • Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅 (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Tuesday, 12-Jul-2022 14:59:07 UTC Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅

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     • John
     @john Yeah. To me that mostly sounds like "but I want punish lazy people" when I hear it, and all I have to say to that is "now listen here you little petty tyrant with your ten dollar power trip".
     
     What the studies show is that people tip according to their personal baseline, yes, and also with their discrimination layer on top.
   • LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864} (lnxw48a1@nu.federati.net)'s status on Tuesday, 12-Jul-2022 15:37:56 UTC LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864}

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     @clacke Yes, US restaurants add sales taxes and sometimes local hospitality taxes.
   • LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864} (lnxw48a1@nu.federati.net)'s status on Tuesday, 12-Jul-2022 15:39:57 UTC LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864}

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     @clacke I prefer it in the menu prices, but history says most restaurants would just keep the money and we'd end up with another "voluntary" gratuity on top of it.
   • Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅 (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Tuesday, 12-Jul-2022 15:51:35 UTC Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅

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     @lnxw48a1 It truly is voluntary in places where you can survive on waiter wages.
   • Your friendly 'net denizen (cstanhope@social.coop)'s status on Tuesday, 12-Jul-2022 15:56:56 UTC Your friendly 'net denizen

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     @clacke US restaurants do add sales tax, but it varies by state, county, and city.

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   • Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅 (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Tuesday, 12-Jul-2022 15:59:03 UTC Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅

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     • Daniel Taylor
     @RandomDamage Sweden had that for a while, but I don't remember if the restaurants billed it as a fee or a discount.
     
     It didn't last very long, or possibly the restaurants decided to just absorb the difference as profit in the cheaper case.
   • Daniel Taylor (randomdamage@mastodon.technology)'s status on Tuesday, 12-Jul-2022 15:59:04 UTC Daniel Taylor

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     @clacke sales and hospitality taxes are added on to the tab as separate items, sometimes because they don't apply to every purchase.

     In some parts of the US eat-in is taxed but eat-out isn't (or the other way around, it's been a while since I've seen that)