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1. Luci for Chai Tea (zens@merveilles.town)'s status on Saturday, 04-Jun-2022 11:57:37 UTC Luci for Chai Tea

   showing and explaining yip.pe to a colleague
   > so what did you use to build it?
   javascript
   > right but like, how, what stack did you use?
   javascript
   > did you use like, react or node or
   … just plain javascript
   > how did you make it work tho
   i used javascript

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   • Luci for Chai Tea (zens@merveilles.town)'s status on Saturday, 04-Jun-2022 11:57:56 UTC Luci for Chai Tea

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     • 🚀 Josh

     @screenbeard i’ll show people how to do this. what’s difficult is finding anyone who’s interested. newrly everyone is either drunk the npm koolaide or wants to get rid of javascript entirely, as if npm hell is a necessary part of the javascript experience

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   • 🚀 Josh (screenbeard@aus.social)'s status on Saturday, 04-Jun-2022 11:57:58 UTC 🚀 Josh

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     @zens the difficulty is finding anyone who'll show you how to do this if you're just starting out. Almost all tutorials start with "first use npm to install this package"

   • Luci for Chai Tea (zens@merveilles.town)'s status on Saturday, 04-Jun-2022 11:57:59 UTC Luci for Chai Tea

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     node and react broke people’s brains. no one remembers that it’s okay to just not use a framework, build system, or even npm. you can just write plain javascript. no one will yell at you.

   • Luci for Chai Tea (zens@merveilles.town)'s status on Saturday, 04-Jun-2022 14:53:56 UTC Luci for Chai Tea

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     • tech? no! man, see...
     • Adrian Cochrane
     • Your's Truly

     @alcinnz @technomancy @somarasu i am a big believer in progressive enhancement/ graceful degredation. i think for accessibility all websites *should* work without javascript enabled. (though it’s not yet totally clear to me how to do this with yip.pe. maybe 256 little pull down menus that do a form submit to a script that responds with a png?

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   • Adrian Cochrane (alcinnz@floss.social)'s status on Saturday, 04-Jun-2022 14:53:57 UTC Adrian Cochrane

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     • tech? no! man, see...
     • Your's Truly

     @technomancy @somarasu @zens Yeah, I like railing against JavaScript. But I do admit that you can use it responsibly.

     Seems that outside of capitalism few find it worth the investment not too...

   • Your's Truly (somarasu@cybre.space)'s status on Saturday, 04-Jun-2022 14:53:58 UTC Your's Truly

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     @zens I feel like this is symptomatic of a different but very much related issue, and that's project management being strong-armed by higher-ups to constantly hammer on more features.

     Everything has to be a "real-time interactive data driven super fun time experience SPA".

     Trying to meet the expectations of current managerial teams using vanilla Javascript is like trying to whittle a working Fefarri.

   • tech? no! man, see... (technomancy@icosahedron.website)'s status on Saturday, 04-Jun-2022 14:53:58 UTC tech? no! man, see...

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     • Your's Truly

     @somarasu @zens "you don't hate javascript; you hate capitalism" is a real mood

   • Luci for Chai Tea (zens@merveilles.town)'s status on Saturday, 04-Jun-2022 14:54:10 UTC Luci for Chai Tea

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     • Emma needs ☕

     @emma
     > why didn’t you use X

     my friend. my brother. i have been doing this a long time and i am still being forced to maintain shit written in X - 1 and X - 2

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   • Emma needs ☕ (emma@magicalgirl.party)'s status on Saturday, 04-Jun-2022 14:54:11 UTC Emma needs ☕

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     @zens

     The number of people who have suggested I rewrite some simple, tabular, frameworkless JS UI for doing CRUD in Vue is amazing.