Dick Smiths Fair Go Supporters
@nielsa
Saying efforts to avoid Cloudflare (and Azure, Amazon and Akamai) is "entirely ridiculous" flys in the face of people, who have jumped ship when we talk to them.
Every 'one' person who learns of the centralisation and NetNeutering-nature of the fascist CDN networks is priceless.
We don't need to friend, follow people on Cf servers because their takes are, let's just say, low-octane, funnily enough.
Stay on CloudFlare if you dare.
Niels Abildgaard
@dsfgs oh, a another note on trust: servers in #Fediverse could very easily be using other centralized systems that get data access, but don't transmit their presence as clearly. For example, hosting the database in Google Cloud.
We gotta trust and educate as much as possible here.
Niels Abildgaard
@dsfgs First, the pragmatic impact of that boycot is nonexistent, both in political effect and actual data safety.
Second, it cuts you off from reasonable discussion with the people making these choices.
Third, you're missing the greater point of the system we all live in and what it incentivizes.
I'll elaborate a bit.
Niels Abildgaard
@dsfgs 1. Isolating yourself on the level of follows is unlikely to have an effect. You need a system level policy to disincentivize using e.g. CloudFlare.
At the same time, we are already in a system of trust for the servers in the fediverse: they can read the data stored on them, it is not encrypted. Except DMs, everything can be read in the public feed of most servers anyway. DMs should probably be replaced with encrypted comms anyway. So what data is in danger?
Niels Abildgaard
@dsfgs I don't really know a nice way to say this, but... this seems like a super weird thing to focus on, and the arguments in the linked post seem completely out of touch with user behavior, etc.
Now to be clear: I would prefer if people didn't use centralized services in general, including CloudFlare.
But I think a personalized boycot based on instances using CloudFlare is entirely ridiculous.
Dick Smiths Fair Go Supporters
Hi again Niels,
Here's one nice expanation.
https://unixsheikh.com/articles/stay-away-from-cloudflare.html
Many website owners are completely unaware that their #ISP is on-the-take and even unaware their site is going through them.
Its a painfully clever attack on entire concept of the internet.
CloudFlare are now working towards removing browsers from computers saying they're too dangerous. They want ppl to use their RemoteBrowserainterface app.
Not even joking.
Dick Smiths Fair Go Supporters
Anyway great to see you find fedi, Niel!
The above was addresses to you, btw not @datenteiler. :)
Niels Abildgaard
@dsfgs I'm not sure I follow. How is CloudFlare a MITM and what is the significance here? Why is it a problem?
Dick Smiths Fair Go Supporters
@datenteiler
You may want to reconsider your choice of instance. In the past few days that one was MITM'd. π.
See what we tooted a few hours ago, we mention the server by name.
@nielsa
Christian Imhorst :opensuse:
@nielsa Hi Niels, welcome to the fediverse! π Interesting topics. I'll leave a follow.π
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