mhoye
Hey, so this is super cool.
Google has been collecting call and messaging data about who you talk to or send text messages to for years. There's no opt-out, no notifcation in their TOS they're doing this, and you can't see the results of that collection in Google Takeout.
https://www.scss.tcd.ie/doug.leith/privacyofdialerandsmsapps.pdf
tech? no! man, see...
@mhoye I guess I just have such low expectations for Google that it comes as no surprise when they abuse their users' trust. it's the default assumption when dealing with a megacorp; abusing their customers' data is as natural to them as breathing is to us.
but I don't imagine that helps all that much with the feelings of frustration around your people being treated differently, so my sympathies in that regard.
mhoye
Between you and me, this is one of the most frustrating things about working at Mozilla. We spend _years_ busting our asses on privacy, agonizing over minimalist, rigorously anonymized telemetry, making sure it's all transparent and safe and has opt-outs, and the internet screams at us for it anyway. And every other tech company out there responds to the years of research it takes to prove they don't give a shit about any of this with "whoops yeah sorry my bad we'll definitely do something".
mhoye
You don't "have something to hide" when you put blinds on your windows or close the door when you're on the toilet, or wear clothes. Privacy isn't about having something to hide, it's not about keeping secrets. It's about being able to choose what you reveal about yourself, and when, and to who, and the other word we have for that is "dignity". Your inherent dignity, as a human being. Privacy is the agency you have over your dignity.
mhoye
Look at everyone who's ever said "if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear". Look at who they are.
And try to tell me that every single one, every person, company, every organization, anyone who's ever said that doesn't want the power to strip you of your dignity at a moment's notice, whenever it's convenient for them.
InsertUser
@mhoye people who claim you should have nothing to hide if you've done nothing wrong seem strangely reluctant to publish their credit card details
Kermode
@mhoye
quoting from notes:
Do you have something to hide?
19. Nov. 2019
The Privacy Foundation @theprivacyfoundation
"Do you have something to hide?" is a manipulative rebuke to those that use #encryption.
It would help us all turn this conversation around. Because, the answer is: YES, we do have something to hide.
Things that we should hide, and must question why a government or business NEEDS access to:
- Medical history.
- Sensitive conversations with employers, children, spouses.
- Billing and banking information.
- Purchase information.
- Web search history.
And more...
Cy
@mhoye To be fair, I'd rather people see me pooping than have private corporations getting a ton of data on my emotional mood, financial security, and responsiveness to ads.
For these manipulators, it's not just about stripping you of your dignity. It's about control. Privacy is the agency you have over your freedom from slavery.
Emma needs β
This is the worst timeline.
yaaps :verified:
@mhoye The class action suit against Google for Google+ netted me $3.20. I can't wait for the next check π
mhoye
@RisottoGateway @samgai https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSXIetP5iak
Shaoran
untype
@mhoye For fucks' sake. How does anyone trust Google at this point?
~ashwinvis
@mhoye
I sympathize with your take on netizens when it comes to Mozilla. A lot of the rhetoric is harsh and does not help the cause. But on the other hand, I think it is a sign that a lot of people treat Mozilla as a company to care about, akin to a family member and holds it to a higher standard than industry "norms". I certainly there is a good majority which thinks this way.
malte
@ashwinvis @mhoye and i think some of mozilla's effort read to me like "we try to develop a bullet that doesn't wound people as much as the off-the-shelf ones do", and it's all a tremendous waste of energy where in the end you still made a bullet?
Kermode
@mhoye
I need privacy. Not because my actions are questionable, but because 'your' judgement and intentions are.
And it doesn't matter whether or not my communications are weighty or frivolous in nature - they are mine and only for those whom I've chosen to share them with. Not the government's, nor goog's, nor my ISP's, but mine.
Also, what is legal where I live today, may not be legal tomorrow and my discussion of it may incriminate my future self. It has happened in the past many times to others in other places.
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@mhoye Is that even legal? I'm in the EU and according to the GDPR, I must be able to retrieve information that is linked to my person.
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