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@tio @tio the fact is Russians don't want to fight either. many of those kids that were thrown to the war were just forcedly conscribed and made to sign "a contract". nobody wants this war. neither here, nor there.
we know those who does, by names. so why should people get into this hell for no reasons and get all these killer sanctions, when all the world know the criminals that are in charge for this happening. this is a queation. a question about money. cui bono, as Romans said. look who's interesred. and I see people ready to supply weapons (not as a free help, for money, of course!). and I see those who make money on blood and tears. and we all know who are that people. so why this all happens and how can we stop the madness?
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@iron_bug @aaron Not necessarily. Maybe in USA but in many parts of the world education is free. But that's besides the point. We are talking if something is like this or like that for you, the end user of course. Take a sugar-free chocolate. For me, the one eating the chocolate, it has no sugar. It is sugar free. But am sure in the process of making it they may have used sugar, or the people making it may eat sugary foods, and so forth. But would be ridiculous, just because of that, to call the end product not sugar-free.
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@tio @aaron and note that people that write articles in Wikipedia paid for their education, withot education there's no knowledge and no Wikipedia. so information also costs money, as a fact. just you don't see it.
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@aaron actually, nothing is "trade'free". developers of open source don't eat solar power. they earn money and use their spare time for something they like. this is how opensource exists. but somebody pays for all these servers on Fediverse. and these money are earned by people. and this is commercial basis of everything in the world.
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@iron_bug @aaron Trade-free is trade-free for the end user. For me it is trade free if I do not have to trade for that good or service. Like Wikipedia is for example. I do not have to give them anything in return for that service. Yes, wikipedia uses some servers and trades for them (money), but their service for others is trade free. Understand?
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@iron_bug that link works now again, so you can check out the website. You will discover some amazing projects :)
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@iron_bug clearly, as you are saying: there are people profiting out of that, because of trade - they sell weapons and gain money.
How can we stop the madness? That's tricky and I have no answer to that except to make people aware that trade is the problem and that we need to make it obsolete. Many projects are working in this direction and we try to highlight them in the trade-free directory: www.directory.trade-free.org/
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@aaron the link does not work here, not even via tor.
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@aaron people in little towns are very poor in this country. they make much less than $100 per month and this is beyond the imaginable level to survive. I don't know how they live. and such professions as teachers, nurses, common workers often make 7-10 thousands of roubles, nowadays this is 50-70 dollars. and now they got additional troubles with blocked cards, broken access to networks, closed shops and many more. and they expect they will go to protests? no way. all they can do now is surviving. people cannot go for rallies if they have troubles with food and basic needs. they're forced to work more, to run to banks trying to get their little money, to seek for some cheap food to feed their kids. and this is what's going on. and people won't do any revolutions, they have no time for this.
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@iron_bug I think that's great!
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@aaron from my side, I have my own "sanctions" on putler and his gang: I don't work for any of their business, for companies that are affiliated with military, or with breaking the Internet connectivity with different bans and prohibiting people from getting information. I don't buy any goods that are produced by companies of putler's cronies. but this is all I can do about it. I'm not a Terminator to destroy the bunker and stop the war.
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