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1. 🇨🇦🇩🇪🇨🇳张殿李🇨🇳🇩🇪🇨🇦 (zdl@mastodon.online)'s status on Monday, 07-Mar-2022 07:49:56 UTC 🇨🇦🇩🇪🇨🇳张殿李🇨🇳🇩🇪🇨🇦

   • Jens Finkhäuser 🌻

   @jens Does this mean I can finally go back to having swastikas on things without feeling mildly queasy?

   • Jens Finkhäuser 🌻 (jens@social.finkhaeuser.de)'s status on Monday, 07-Mar-2022 07:49:55 UTC Jens Finkhäuser 🌻

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     @zdl You always could!

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   • 🇨🇦🇩🇪🇨🇳张殿李🇨🇳🇩🇪🇨🇦 (zdl@mastodon.online)'s status on Tuesday, 08-Mar-2022 14:04:12 UTC 🇨🇦🇩🇪🇨🇳张殿李🇨🇳🇩🇪🇨🇦

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     • Jens Finkhäuser 🌻
     • rag. Gustavino Bevilacqua

     @GustavinoBevilacqua @jens

     ...

     They're ... not even concealing the source of their ideologies, are they? And I thought the Sparta madness of the USA was bad enough.

   • rag. Gustavino Bevilacqua (gustavinobevilacqua@mastodon.cisti.org)'s status on Tuesday, 08-Mar-2022 14:04:12 UTC rag. Gustavino Bevilacqua

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     • Jens Finkhäuser 🌻

     @zdl @jens

     Symbols, per se, are neutral: some people give them meanings.

     For example 1% is just what would be nice to have as TVA, outside bikers world.

     https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outlaw_motorcycle_club#One_percenter

   • rag. Gustavino Bevilacqua (gustavinobevilacqua@mastodon.cisti.org)'s status on Tuesday, 08-Mar-2022 14:04:13 UTC rag. Gustavino Bevilacqua

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     • Jens Finkhäuser 🌻

     @jens @zdl

     I don't know how many Italians noticed what is represented on the coat of arms of France or on the seal of the United States Senate…

   • Jens Finkhäuser 🌻 (jens@social.finkhaeuser.de)'s status on Tuesday, 08-Mar-2022 14:04:14 UTC Jens Finkhäuser 🌻

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     • rag. Gustavino Bevilacqua

     @zdl I can imagine. I do take a second or two to process the regular swastika before moving on. But growing up in Germany also conditions you quite strongly in some ways.

     @GustavinoBevilacqua

   • Jens Finkhäuser 🌻 (jens@social.finkhaeuser.de)'s status on Tuesday, 08-Mar-2022 14:04:15 UTC Jens Finkhäuser 🌻

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     • rag. Gustavino Bevilacqua

     @zdl Yeah...

     You know, that topic has me torn a little. As far as I am concerned, that's a different symbol. I do agree with @GustavinoBevilacqua that we should call the Nazi one a Hakenkreuz to be precise.

     But on the other hand, I'm about as confused between the Hakenkreuz and a regular swastika as I am between a Christian cross and its upside-down version. I'm pretty sure most Christians, once they get past their spluttering, would be able to tell the difference.

   • 🇨🇦🇩🇪🇨🇳张殿李🇨🇳🇩🇪🇨🇦 (zdl@mastodon.online)'s status on Tuesday, 08-Mar-2022 14:04:15 UTC 🇨🇦🇩🇪🇨🇳张殿李🇨🇳🇩🇪🇨🇦

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     • Jens Finkhäuser 🌻
     • rag. Gustavino Bevilacqua

     @jens @GustavinoBevilacqua That's sort of my take on it as well. When I first got here I got REALLY queasy at the number of swastikas I saw on things. But given that some of the things I saw them on were older than Germany...

     So for me it's highly dependent on context. If you're wearing a swastika in a Nazi context you're an asshole. If you're wearing it in a Buddhist, Daoist, Confucian, Jainist, Hindu, etc. context it's fine.

     Still unnerves me a bit when it's on me, though.

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   • 🇨🇦🇩🇪🇨🇳张殿李🇨🇳🇩🇪🇨🇦 (zdl@mastodon.online)'s status on Tuesday, 08-Mar-2022 14:04:16 UTC 🇨🇦🇩🇪🇨🇳张殿李🇨🇳🇩🇪🇨🇦

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     • Jens Finkhäuser 🌻

     @jens Not always. I live in the land of surprise swastikas. Here's just two examples.

   • Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅 (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Tuesday, 08-Mar-2022 14:11:07 UTC Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅

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     • Jens Finkhäuser 🌻
     • rag. Gustavino Bevilacqua
     @zdl @GustavinoBevilacqua @jens Again these two emblems are older, by 17 years and by 36 years, than the party that represents the ideology you're thinking of.