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1. Be (be@fosstodon.org)'s status on Wednesday, 02-Mar-2022 14:33:41 UTC Be

   • witch hat hacker 🎃 spooky ver
   • Seirdy

   @Seirdy @haskal Google could pressure hardware vendors to get their shit together if they wanted.

   • Be (be@fosstodon.org)'s status on Wednesday, 02-Mar-2022 14:33:41 UTC Be

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     • witch hat hacker 🎃 spooky ver
     • Seirdy

     @Seirdy @haskal Though that may require Google getting their shit together and not giving vendors a starting point of a giant outdated fork of Linux.

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   • Be (be@fosstodon.org)'s status on Wednesday, 02-Mar-2022 14:33:55 UTC Be

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     • witch hat hacker 🎃 spooky ver
     • Seirdy

     @Seirdy @haskal IIUC by the time AOSP gets to vendors, the vendors are already starting with a Linux fork that is a few years outdated. That's a bad way to start working on a driver if you want to upstream the driver.

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   • Seirdy (seirdy@pleroma.envs.net)'s status on Wednesday, 02-Mar-2022 14:33:56 UTC Seirdy

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     • witch hat hacker 🎃 spooky ver
     @be @haskal > a starting point of a giant outdated fork of Linux.
     
     Outdated forks of Linux are a problem in the Android vendor ecosystem. I think I get what you're saying but I'm not sure I agree with this particular phrasing.
     
     Lots of Linux security improvements actually start in Android; the upstream AOSP is not exactly "behind" on security compared to upstream Linux. There are lots of other reasons to hate Google.
     
     The problem isn't the AOSP kernel, it's the GPL-loopholing that encourages unmaintained forks.
   • Be (be@fosstodon.org)'s status on Wednesday, 02-Mar-2022 14:34:04 UTC Be

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     • witch hat hacker 🎃 spooky ver
     • Seirdy

     @Seirdy @haskal If Google denied Android certification to vendors that didn't upstream their drivers, I think this shitshow would clean up real fast.

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   • Seirdy (seirdy@pleroma.envs.net)'s status on Wednesday, 02-Mar-2022 14:34:05 UTC Seirdy

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     • witch hat hacker 🎃 spooky ver
     @be @haskal Google should pressure *more*. They've pressured a little by using the carrot; it's time for the stick.
   • Be (be@fosstodon.org)'s status on Wednesday, 02-Mar-2022 14:34:17 UTC Be

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     • witch hat hacker 🎃 spooky ver
     • Seirdy

     @Seirdy @haskal I don't think cleaning up the mess of Android wouldn't benefit Google. But apparently it isn't a big enough benefit to upset their business partners.

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   • Seirdy (seirdy@pleroma.envs.net)'s status on Wednesday, 02-Mar-2022 14:34:18 UTC Seirdy

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     • witch hat hacker 🎃 spooky ver
     • Seirdy
     @be @haskal in which Seirdy says "selfish investor-backed company should please be selfless for a minute kthx" and expects literally anything to happen.