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Mike Harley (obsolete29@indieweb.social)'s status on Thursday, 03-Feb-2022 11:48:52 UTC Mike Harley

I want to read about the European perspective on the Russia/Ukraine news.

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- Rysiekúr Memesson (rysiek@mastodon.technology)'s status on Thursday, 03-Feb-2022 12:09:59 UTC Rysiekúr Memesson
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  @obsolete29 depends how close to the Russian border one lives. Lithuania, Latvia, Poland all are very seriously concerned, and sending some arms to Ukraine. Germany seems somewhat internally conflicted, there's the Nord Stream 2 question hanging over all this. UK has sent some arms to Ukraine already. France... not sure. Croatia said they don't think Nato should get involved at all.
  It's kind of all over the place.
  
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- Rysiekúr Memesson (rysiek@mastodon.technology)'s status on Thursday, 03-Feb-2022 12:10:00 UTC Rysiekúr Memesson
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  @obsolete29 which specific news?
  
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- Mike Harley (obsolete29@indieweb.social)'s status on Thursday, 03-Feb-2022 12:10:00 UTC Mike Harley
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  @rysiek there's more than one Russia/Ukraine news?! lol
  The news I read seems to indicate that Russia is threatening invasion of Ukraine by massing 100k troops on the Ukraine border. Putin wants concessions about NATO expansion etc. Do Europeans view this as the OMG crisis that my news seems to say it is? Do Europeans want to do anything about it?
  
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- Paul Lammers (mplammers@fosstodon.org)'s status on Thursday, 03-Feb-2022 12:20:33 UTC Paul Lammers
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  @obsolete29 @rysiek Most countries in Europe are equipping the Ukraine with light defensive technology and threatening sanctions. So, not silent on the issue.
  But I do feel the language in the media is off. Putin is not really "planning to invade" if he has invaded already and is now occupying Crimea, Donetsk and Luhansk at least to some extent.
  This Wikipedia page seems to describe a different reality:
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Donbas
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  1. War in Donbas
    
    The war in the Donbas, or the Donbas war, is an armed conflict in the Donbas region of Ukraine, part of the broader Russo-Ukrainian War. From the beginning of March 2014, in the aftermath of the 2014 Ukrainian revolution and the Euromaidan movement, protests by Russia-backed anti-government separatist groups took place in the Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts of Ukraine, collectively called the Donbas region. These demonstrations, which followed the February–March 2014 annexation of Crimea by the Russian Federation, and which were part of a wider group of concurrent protests across southern and eastern Ukraine, escalated into an armed conflict between the separatist forces of the self-declared Donetsk and Luhansk People's Republics (DPR and LPR respectively), and the Ukrainian government. While the initial protests were largely native expressions of discontent with the new Ukrainian government, Russia took advantage of them to launch a co-ordinated political and military campaign against Ukraine. Russian citizens led the separatist movement in Donetsk from April until August 2014, and were supported by volunteers and materiel from Russia. As...
- f.rift :fire_blue: (feonixrift@hackers.town)'s status on Thursday, 03-Feb-2022 14:20:29 UTC f.rift :fire_blue:
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  I lost the link but iirc Biden at one point used the phrase "planning to further invade", and of course that was controversial, but also accurate.
  @obsolete29 @rysiek
  
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- j@mastodon (jcast@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 03-Feb-2022 14:27:30 UTC j@mastodon
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  The strategy in major news outlets has been for decades to demonize Russia. Most people fall for it.
  Media has been moot about the huge NATO operations along Russian borders in recent years.
  Some dissenting voices mention that the US has been causing trouble starting by inviting Ukraine into NATO and other provocations. But you don't hear much on this.
  
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