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1. Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅 (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Tuesday, 25-Jan-2022 04:36:09 UTC Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅
   > yes welcome to the Dunning-Kruger paradox, wherein when first learning of it you're confident in its existence, but when discovering more research on it question its existence, thereby in a sense proving its existence.
   
   twitit.gq/BenBakkum/status/148…
   • Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅 (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Tuesday, 25-Jan-2022 04:41:51 UTC Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅

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     Context: The Dunning-Kruger effect may in fact not be real; It looks like the convincing graphs in the original work are actually a statistical artifact.
     
     A greater study shows that people have a normal curve of under- or overestimating their ability.
     
     The only thing real in the original paper may be that Cornell University undergraduates across the board overestimate their skills, on average.
     
     www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/crit…
     
     /via twitit.gq/hillelogram/status/1…
   • Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅 (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Tuesday, 25-Jan-2022 04:45:07 UTC Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅

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     > This means that "you see DK all the time in real life"... isn't actually evidence that DK is a real cognitive bias. You're much more likely to remember the overconfident idiots you meet than the humble ones.
     
     The real cognitive bias was the selective perception of a cognitive bias in the incompetent friends we made along the way.
     
     twitit.gq/hillelogram/status/1…
   • Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅 (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Tuesday, 25-Jan-2022 05:03:17 UTC Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅

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     Further down the rabbit hole, other truths about the nature of the truth, like the Backfire Effect, may also turn out not to be true:
     
     > It may be that the internet does not divide us, that facts don’t make us dumber than we were before, and that debunking doesn’t really lead to further bunk.
     
     > In fact, it may be time that we gave up on the truth-y notion that we’re living in a post-truth age. In fact, it may be time that we debunked the whole idea.
     
     slate.com/health-and-science/2…
     
     twitit.gq/hillelogram/status/1…
   • Isaac Ji Kuo (isaackuo@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 25-Jan-2022 05:19:32 UTC Isaac Ji Kuo

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     @clacke I know a sample of one is not statistically useful, but I was a Cornell undergrad and I DEFINITELY overestimated my intellect.

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   • Pan💔 (pan@glitch.social)'s status on Tuesday, 25-Jan-2022 05:19:40 UTC Pan💔

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     @clacke that's so wild, thankyou for sharing. i can't believe the dunning kruger effect was inside me all along

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   • Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅 (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Tuesday, 25-Jan-2022 05:24:14 UTC Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅

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     The Dunning-Kruger Effect as cultural artifact:
     
     "The Dunning-Kruger Song", from "The Incompetence Opera"
     
     farside.link/invidious/watch?v…
     
     www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdnH19…
   • Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅 (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Tuesday, 25-Jan-2022 05:39:35 UTC Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅

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     hillelogram's thread is better and deeper than the linked article it discusses.
   • 💙Charles ☭ H❤ (celesteh@lgbt.io)'s status on Tuesday, 25-Jan-2022 10:24:12 UTC 💙Charles ☭ H❤

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     @clacke

     Colbert did not invent the word truthiness. It already existed, but he did alter the meaning.

   • Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅 (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Tuesday, 25-Jan-2022 10:24:12 UTC Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅

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     • 💙Charles ☭ H❤
     @celesteh I'd say that would make "Stephen Colbert’s neologism, truthiness" an accurate description of the word now used.
     
     It's a simple modifier that has probably happened many times, but he defined and popularized this instance.
   • 💙Charles ☭ H❤ (celesteh@lgbt.io)'s status on Tuesday, 25-Jan-2022 10:25:39 UTC 💙Charles ☭ H❤

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     • Kat MCP(NT4) MCSE(Win2K)

     @kat @clacke

     Imposter syndrome actually is real! Go and you might be better than you think! Playing with great musicians also really helps improve your own skills.

     (I have had many similar thoughts and I've never regretted showing up. I hope these comments are welcome.)

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   • Kat MCP(NT4) MCSE(Win2K) (kat@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 25-Jan-2022 10:25:40 UTC Kat MCP(NT4) MCSE(Win2K)

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     @clacke so does that mean I should go to the jam session with all the great musicians who are better than me - because I am nearly good enough.

     Or not because I am *really* not good enough to sit with them, and it will both embarrass me and them if I do ?

   • Sebastian Lasse (sl007@digitalcourage.social)'s status on Tuesday, 25-Jan-2022 10:33:12 UTC Sebastian Lasse

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     @clacke

     Oh, thank you. That explains my question: https://digitalcourage.social/@sl007/107679702615216840

     PS
     German version by the man who invented Bernd, das Brot.
     ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrG2c0_EyDE&t=4s

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   • Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅 (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jan-2022 05:23:45 UTC Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅

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     • Victor Venema
     @VictorVenema Both the authors of all these papers and the journalists that report on them seem to have a strong affection for the irony that allows them to say things like “the best evidence against our paper is that it keeps getting rejected”. 😁
   • Victor Venema (victorvenema@fediscience.org)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jan-2022 05:23:46 UTC Victor Venema

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     @clacke Great article. Thanks for sharing.

     The claim at the end that a paper on the backfire effect was hard to publish because scientists reject new information does not sound too credible in my ears, however. Stephan Lewandowsky already told me years ago that the backfire effect was not something to worry about, that if it happens it would be in cases where people do not process the information actively.

     So maybe the paper was just not that good or that new.