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1. hamish campbell (hamishcampbell@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 14-Jan-2022 06:27:24 UTC hamish campbell

   • Nate Cull

   @bob @natecull this talks to this subject https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUCYoJ8KSF8

   • Nate Cull (natecull@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 14-Jan-2022 06:27:21 UTC Nate Cull

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     • Doc Edward Morbius ⭕​

     @dredmorbius @hamishcampbell

     Specifics? Not personally. I just remember IMC rapidly becoming like a proto-QAnon for anti-Bush people. It was full of unsourced rumour and just nonsense and I learned to ignore it.

     Eg I think it jumped on the "9/11 was an inside job" conspiracy train fairly early on. That sort of thing.

     I hope someone has done a proper historical retrospective / postmortem on it. It was a fun movement, way ahead of its time, like an unmoderated, angry Youtube. Needs study.

   • Nate Cull (natecull@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 14-Jan-2022 06:27:22 UTC Nate Cull

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     @hamishcampbell @bob

     "But they won't lift a finger to do anything about it"

     Because we know what lifting that finger looks like, historically. Several tens of millions dead, and THEN labour camps.

     I mean I remember watching the leftist Independent Media Center movement back in the post-9/11 era, circa 2002/2003, to see if that was the glimmer of hope

     and it wasn't. It was as bad as 4chan became, just from the left. It was bad stuff. Clickbait and calls to violence. It wasn't the future.

   • Doc Edward Morbius ⭕​ (dredmorbius@toot.cat)'s status on Friday, 14-Jan-2022 06:27:22 UTC Doc Edward Morbius ⭕​

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     • Nate Cull

     @natecull Any specifics on what happened with IMC?

     Links / articles?

     @hamishcampbell

   • Nate Cull (natecull@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 14-Jan-2022 06:27:23 UTC Nate Cull

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     @hamishcampbell @bob

     Like you think we want to rise up and what, bring about 1917 Part 2? French Revolution Part III?

     How would Marxism make things *better*?

     We don't trust the status quo but we trust the alternative even less.

     But as us GenXers age out, I'm guessing the Millennials are gonna full revolution and then they'll learn for themselves why we feared that alternative.

   • Nate Cull (natecull@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 14-Jan-2022 06:27:24 UTC Nate Cull

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     @hamishcampbell @bob

     " And that means that a third of the population is willing to accept that we're run by a bunch of homicidal maniacs who are willing to murder us all"

     Well yes Noam, that's not news, I grew up in the 1980s with the threat of nuclear war, they *were* willing to murder us all. Made very rational plans about how many millions of dead there would be in the streets.

     But.

     The other side of the equation is that the Soviet Union wasn't better.

     THAT'S why we're hopeless.