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1. Devine Lu Linvega (neauoire@merveilles.town)'s status on Tuesday, 11-Jan-2022 13:51:11 UTC Devine Lu Linvega

   Enjoyed the latest Dune a lot more than I expected. I loved that there was no screens, no voice activated stuff. Reminded me of the best things about Prospect.
   #theCinema

   • abortretryfail (abortretryfail@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 11-Jan-2022 13:51:11 UTC abortretryfail

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     @neauoire

     The secret to humanity's future in space is:
     - Find the very best drugs.
     - Ban computers.

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   • Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅 (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Tuesday, 11-Jan-2022 13:55:20 UTC Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅

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     @akkartik I did not know that! I thought they were just in an interim where they hadn't rebuilt the destroyed civilization yet.
     
     But it makes a lot of sense that they would reject the human path.
     
     I haven't seen the Heston-era films this side of the millennium I think. I would probably get more out of them now.
     
     @aw @neauoire
   • Kartik Agaram (akkartik@merveilles.town)'s status on Tuesday, 11-Jan-2022 13:55:25 UTC Kartik Agaram

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     • alex

     @neauoire There's also Planet of the Apes, which banned tech beyond the 1800s.

     @aw

   • alex (aw@merveilles.town)'s status on Tuesday, 11-Jan-2022 13:55:26 UTC alex

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     @akkartik @neauoire all computers were destroyed in the butlerian jihad: "Thou shalt not make a machine in the likeness of a human mind"

   • Devine Lu Linvega (neauoire@merveilles.town)'s status on Tuesday, 11-Jan-2022 13:55:26 UTC Devine Lu Linvega

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     @aw @akkartik I just love that they banned AI, such wise.

   • Kartik Agaram (akkartik@merveilles.town)'s status on Tuesday, 11-Jan-2022 13:55:27 UTC Kartik Agaram

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     @neauoire Yeah! I found it visually more interesting than the Matrix when I first watched it. I also found myself talking eloquently of the role of computation in this universe. Taken for granted, fades into the background just like it's supposed to. Lots of issues in this universe, but convivial computation wasn't one of them. At least for the high-status members of this extremely sparsely populated society that we get to see :)

   • Kartik Agaram (akkartik@merveilles.town)'s status on Tuesday, 11-Jan-2022 13:55:27 UTC Kartik Agaram

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     • alex

     "Once men turned their thinking over to machines in the hope that this would set them free. But that only permitted other men with machines to enslave them."

     — Frank Herbert, Dune

     🤯 And I was just saying a month ago how the computers in Dune seemed very healthy. I should reread the book.

     Via @aw (https://alex.flounder.online)

     @neauoire

   • Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅 (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Tuesday, 11-Jan-2022 13:55:31 UTC Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅

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     • νδπ
     @ndpi If it's considered mechanistic enough it's fine, just no AI.
     
     @neauoire @aw @akkartik
   • νδπ (ndpi@merveilles.town)'s status on Tuesday, 11-Jan-2022 13:55:36 UTC νδπ

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     @akkartik I think in canon it’s supposed to be very sophisticated clockwork, though how that’s fundamentally different from computing I’m not sure.

     @aw @neauoire

   • Kartik Agaram (akkartik@merveilles.town)'s status on Tuesday, 11-Jan-2022 13:55:37 UTC Kartik Agaram

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     • alex

     @aw Oh that's a good point. So maybe the movie was taking some liberties. I kept seeing evidence of IoT behind the scenes. Like the lamp that follows Paul in the early scenes.

     @neauoire

   • Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅 (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Wednesday, 12-Jan-2022 04:36:05 UTC Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅

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     • νδπ
     @aw Yeah, I take back what I said above, "just not AI". It's not clear where the line is, but it's certainly stricter than "no sentience", they're staying clear with a wide margin of any grey area. Could be Turing completeness.
     
     When the Navigator in Lynch's Dune says "many machines on Ix", I think that's a jab at Ix that they're pushing at the boundaries of what's allowed.
     
     I don't remember if this line is in the book.
     
     @ndpi @akkartik
   • alex (aw@merveilles.town)'s status on Wednesday, 12-Jan-2022 04:36:06 UTC alex

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     @ndpi @akkartik maybe the condition is turing completeness