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1. tomasino (tomasino@tilde.zone)'s status on Thursday, 06-Jan-2022 15:48:15 UTC tomasino

   Just saw a bullshit headline claiming Disney lost $600M on the Black Widow film due to piracy. The BS napkin math on this is that it was downloaded 20 million times. Then the article declared that each download is somehow a lost Disney+ subscription with $30.

   This is obviously ridiculous logic. There's no evidence that a pirated show would have been purchased if not downloaded, let alone that a platform subscription would have happened. Nor do we even know that 20 million downloads represents 20 million individuals.

   This isn't a matter of technical ignorance. These facts aren't hard to understand. They're intentionally misrepresented to benefit rich companies that want penalty payments in lawsuits. What utter hogwash.

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   • smpl 🇩🇰 (smpl@norrebro.space)'s status on Thursday, 06-Jan-2022 15:48:27 UTC smpl 🇩🇰

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     @tomasino
     Disneys shouldn't worry, the loss will go away when people delete the movie.

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   • GrooveStomp (groovestomp@social.linux.pizza)'s status on Thursday, 06-Jan-2022 15:50:07 UTC GrooveStomp

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     @tomasino Not to mention the folks who subscribe to Disney+ who downloaded it anyway for offline viewing.

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   • GrooveStomp (groovestomp@social.linux.pizza)'s status on Thursday, 06-Jan-2022 15:50:12 UTC GrooveStomp

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     @tomasino He he. This tactic appeared to work for the music corps back in the naughts; presumably that's why Disney is employing it now.

     Outright lies when marketed heavily enough can be mistaken for truth, especially by those who stand to profit.

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   • tomasino (tomasino@tilde.zone)'s status on Thursday, 06-Jan-2022 15:50:13 UTC tomasino

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     @groovestomp or those exposed to the downloaded show who enjoyed it enough to purchase it later. There's so many facets here, but Disney is a fat corp and capitalism gives it a singular concept of "good": money. Any action that precipitates more of it is good. Lying about their loses is good.

     *lights the house on fire*

   • Thomas Sturm (tsturm@toot.site)'s status on Thursday, 06-Jan-2022 15:50:25 UTC Thomas Sturm

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     @tomasino Fully agree… and we’ve had this same argument for 30 years now, and somehow none of these media companies had to shut down because of piracy.

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   • Ivan Sagalaev (isagalaev@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 06-Jan-2022 15:51:19 UTC Ivan Sagalaev

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     @tomasino entertainment execs have been doing that for ages, multiplying the biggest number they could stretch to mean "views" by the biggest number they could claim as price and declaring that "lost profit". Too bad courts all over the world have no problem accepting this BS. See the case of The Pirate Bay founders,for example.

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   • ghostdancer (ghostdancer@mastodon.sdf.org)'s status on Thursday, 06-Jan-2022 15:52:05 UTC ghostdancer

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     @tomasino The same accountancy method used by RIAA, BSA and MPAA. The most creative minds in Hollywood are always in the books not in the writers guild.

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   • Eric the Cerise (nattiegoogie@mstdn.io)'s status on Thursday, 06-Jan-2022 16:03:18 UTC Eric the Cerise

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     @tomasino

     Can confirm. I personally pirated it 193 times just to inflate the piracy claims, while I only have 31 Disney+ subscriptions.

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