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1. Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠) (clackemovedtoheldscalla@quitter.se)'s status on Wednesday, 17-Dec-2014 21:55:32 UTC Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠)

   • Windigo ☴
   • sazius on Mayfirst
   @windigo @sazius Runit? Or systemd? :-)
   • Johnny Null (johnnynull@quitter.se)'s status on Wednesday, 17-Dec-2014 20:44:16 UTC Johnny Null

     • nds
     @nds That's quite disingenuous. If it were such an open-and-shut case, you'd not see widespread issues with it like we've seen.
   • Johnny Null (johnnynull@quitter.se)'s status on Wednesday, 17-Dec-2014 21:00:03 UTC Johnny Null

     • Andrew Conway
     • nds
     @nds @mcnalu No shit. Again, this dismissal of concerns outright as being nutters is bullshit.
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   • Johnny Null (johnnynull@quitter.se)'s status on Wednesday, 17-Dec-2014 21:00:43 UTC Johnny Null

     • nds
     @nds Because you have not seen an issue is not the correct barometer for declaring something FUD.
   • Johnny Null (johnnynull@quitter.se)'s status on Wednesday, 17-Dec-2014 21:01:23 UTC Johnny Null

     • zoowar
     • nds
     @nds @zoowar Hell, just switching login managers was far more of a pain than it shoulda been.
   • sazius on Mayfirst (saziusmayfirst@social.mayfirst.org)'s status on Wednesday, 17-Dec-2014 21:05:02 UTC sazius on Mayfirst

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     • Johnny Null
     • Andrew Conway
     • nds
     @johnnynull @mcnalu I agree with @nds that the campaign has gone a bit off the rails with personal attacks and conspiracy theories. That said, there may be legitimate technical concerns too - I'm not qualified to judge those. For me personally systemd has worked just fine. I didn't notice any change except a bit faster boot up. I hope there will be distros or setups for people preferring alternatives, though.
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   • Johnny Null (johnnynull@quitter.se)'s status on Wednesday, 17-Dec-2014 21:07:51 UTC Johnny Null

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     • sazius on Mayfirst
     @sazius Largely my point (and my level). Dismissing concerns from Unix and Linux greybeards with a wave of the hand is just foolish.
   • Johnny Null (johnnynull@quitter.se)'s status on Wednesday, 17-Dec-2014 21:08:59 UTC Johnny Null

     • Andrew Conway
     • nds
     @mcnalu @nds I'm not a hater either. Currently running systemd.
   • sazius on Mayfirst (saziusmayfirst@social.mayfirst.org)'s status on Wednesday, 17-Dec-2014 21:12:12 UTC sazius on Mayfirst

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     • Johnny Null
     @johnnynull This is just my speculation, but I suspect this might be a forking point between desktop and server. Systemd seems to be mostly geared towards desktop systems, while sysadmins like to have the transparency of old-style init systems.
   • Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠) (clackemovedtoheldscalla@quitter.se)'s status on Wednesday, 17-Dec-2014 21:17:29 UTC Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠)

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     • sazius on Mayfirst
     @sazius Myself, I won't care what runs on my desktop. On my servers I will probably use runit because it's brilliant and I understand it.
   • Johnny Null (johnnynull@quitter.se)'s status on Wednesday, 17-Dec-2014 21:18:37 UTC Johnny Null

     • Windigo ☴
     • sazius on Mayfirst
     @windigo @sazius I too prefer the old style. But you make a lot of sense. Esp. w/the upcoming systemd GUI.
   • sazius on Mayfirst (saziusmayfirst@social.mayfirst.org)'s status on Wednesday, 17-Dec-2014 21:22:26 UTC sazius on Mayfirst

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     @clacke runit is pretty neat. I use that for my pump.io service because I couldn't be bothered to write an init.d script :-) (This is an old wheezy system.)
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   • Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠) (clackemovedtoheldscalla@quitter.se)'s status on Wednesday, 17-Dec-2014 21:38:39 UTC Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠)

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     • sazius on Mayfirst
     @sazius Yeah, writing a runit conf is trivial, init.d script is not. And it gives you benefits like keepalive. No god, monit etc required.
   • sazius on Mayfirst (saziusmayfirst@social.mayfirst.org)'s status on Wednesday, 17-Dec-2014 21:48:49 UTC sazius on Mayfirst

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     @clacke Perhaps systemd is the perfect choice for desktops, runit for servers :-)
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   • Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠) (clackemovedtoheldscalla@quitter.se)'s status on Wednesday, 17-Dec-2014 21:50:35 UTC Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠)

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     • sazius on Mayfirst
     @sazius Quite possibly.
   • Windigo ☴ (windigo@micro.fragdev.com)'s status on Wednesday, 17-Dec-2014 21:52:19 UTC Windigo ☴

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     • sazius on Mayfirst
     @sazius @clacke It looks nice at first glance; might have to give it a try in a VM!
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   • Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠) (clackemovedtoheldscalla@quitter.se)'s status on Wednesday, 17-Dec-2014 22:20:53 UTC Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠)

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     • Windigo ☴
     @windigo “Runit is used as the default init system by Void and Dragora” http://www.cupoflinux.com/SBB/index.php?topic=2354.0
   • Johnny Null (johnnynull@quitter.se)'s status on Wednesday, 17-Dec-2014 23:56:51 UTC Johnny Null

     • nds
     @nds Sure, but let's not brush with the broad strokes of the outliers. Much of it has been well thought out.
   • Johnny Null (johnnynull@quitter.se)'s status on Thursday, 18-Dec-2014 00:03:07 UTC Johnny Null

     • nds
     @nds Also, as you've previously mentioned, Slackware and Gentoo are not going in this direction. Hardly the knee-jerk crowd.
   • Johnny Null (johnnynull@quitter.se)'s status on Thursday, 18-Dec-2014 00:03:37 UTC Johnny Null

     • nds
     @nds In this we agree.
   • sazius on Mayfirst (saziusmayfirst@social.mayfirst.org)'s status on Thursday, 18-Dec-2014 12:15:49 UTC sazius on Mayfirst

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     • Windigo ☴
     @clacke @windigo The nice thing about runit is that you can also run it for specific services only, doesn't have to take over the whole system. On my home server I use the standard init.d scripts from Debian, but for things that don't have them (like pump.io) I use runit.
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   • Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠) (clackemovedtoheldscalla@quitter.se)'s status on Thursday, 18-Dec-2014 12:59:18 UTC Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠)

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     • sazius on Mayfirst
     @sazius nosh* and s6** are pretty interesting too, but not (yet?) dpkg'ed. * http://tini.link/nosh ** http://www.skarnet.org/software/s6/
   • Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠) (clackemovedtoheldscalla@quitter.se)'s status on Thursday, 18-Dec-2014 13:02:05 UTC Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠)

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     • sazius on Mayfirst
     @sazius Yeah, runit is a #WorldDominationOptional init (and so is e.g. s6). Quite unlike #systemd. ;-) :-D >:-> #flameon