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1. MMN-o ✅⃠ (mmn@social.umeahackerspace.se)'s status on Wednesday, 04-Apr-2018 09:47:11 UTC MMN-o ✅⃠

   • Bee Yarn Knee 🙊 🇮🇸 🍏
   @HerraBRE The "Federation model" is _not_ "idealistic admins".
   • MMN-o ✅⃠ (mmn@social.umeahackerspace.se)'s status on Wednesday, 04-Apr-2018 09:48:13 UTC MMN-o ✅⃠

     • Bee Yarn Knee 🙊 🇮🇸 🍏
     @HerraBRE account migration is not desirable. It is individualistic and counterproductive for communities.
   • MMN-o ✅⃠ (mmn@social.umeahackerspace.se)'s status on Wednesday, 04-Apr-2018 10:07:45 UTC MMN-o ✅⃠

     • Bee Yarn Knee 🙊 🇮🇸 🍏
     • Björn Schießle 🌍 🇪🇺
     @bjoern @HerraBRE I'll start by ignoring the technical and social difficulties (domain name changing... causing troubles both for lookups/computers as well as humans who remember the old address...)...
     
     What you mention first, @bjoern, is not account migration. "Without having to start from scratch" and "without losing your connections" is only the transferral of subscriptions. We could discuss bi-directional transferrals (but why would you be able to force a remote party to subscribe to a new, possibly untrusted, server?!).
     
     The "right to move" is still there. Restoration of backed up data is however incredibly hard to do without breaking the laws of physics.
   • MMN-o ✅⃠ (mmn@social.umeahackerspace.se)'s status on Wednesday, 04-Apr-2018 10:09:24 UTC MMN-o ✅⃠

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     • Bee Yarn Knee 🙊 🇮🇸 🍏
     • Björn Schießle 🌍 🇪🇺
     @bjoern @HerraBRE restoration of old backed up data to a new identity* (that is: the process of moving to a new identity)
   • MMN-o ✅⃠ (mmn@social.umeahackerspace.se)'s status on Wednesday, 04-Apr-2018 10:16:59 UTC MMN-o ✅⃠

     • Björn Schießle 🌍 🇪🇺
     @bjoern I simply wouldn't defend "the right to move". But I'd defend "the right to choose provider". One is physically impossible to do (in a secure _and_ user friendly way), the other simple as SMTP.
   • MMN-o ✅⃠ (mmn@social.umeahackerspace.se)'s status on Wednesday, 04-Apr-2018 10:50:39 UTC MMN-o ✅⃠

     • Bee Yarn Knee 🙊 🇮🇸 🍏
     @HerraBRE I'm pretty sure being an asshole has a slightly higher threshold than possible-misunderstanding-regarding-an-answer-in-a-quick-discussion-and-asking-it-anew.
     
     It's interesting what hasty pseudo-realtime text communication does to people!
   • MMN-o ✅⃠ (mmn@social.umeahackerspace.se)'s status on Wednesday, 04-Apr-2018 10:59:20 UTC MMN-o ✅⃠

     • Björn Schießle 🌍 🇪🇺
     @björn How would you move your identity if you _are_ the identity? :]
     
     (and perhaps more interesting for most people: how would you use a pseudonym in a network where you _are_ the node/instance?)
   • MMN-o ✅⃠ (mmn@social.umeahackerspace.se)'s status on Wednesday, 04-Apr-2018 11:02:55 UTC MMN-o ✅⃠

     • pettter ✅
     @pettter How long does my beard have to be???
   • MMN-o ✅⃠ (mmn@social.umeahackerspace.se)'s status on Wednesday, 04-Apr-2018 11:07:40 UTC MMN-o ✅⃠

     • Rysiekúr (old account)
     @rysiek My point was merely to indicate that users who are their own admins must also at all times be alert and in a well-functioning mindset. Or they might end up being drunk or sneezing while trying to configure their local server and accidentally break everything without any clue of how to put it back together.
     
     Communes ftw.
   • MMN-o ✅⃠ (mmn@social.umeahackerspace.se)'s status on Wednesday, 04-Apr-2018 11:20:18 UTC MMN-o ✅⃠

     • pettter ✅
     • Bee Yarn Knee 🙊 🇮🇸 🍏
     @HerraBRE Out of all my experience with @pettter I've felt that whatever questions he's had have been for the progression of the discussion and not in any way to smite anyone. :]
   • Wolf480pl (wolf480pl@niu.moe)'s status on Wednesday, 04-Apr-2018 19:54:40 UTC Wolf480pl

     • pettter ✅
     • Rysiekúr (old account)
     • Bee Yarn Knee 🙊 🇮🇸 🍏
     • Björn Schießle 🌍 🇪🇺

     @rysiek @pettter @HerraBRE @bjoern
     There's an example of a peer-to-peer world where you trust nobody: Ethereum.
     And as we've seen, people are not well suited to live in such a world, because they:
     - make mistakes
     - get scammed
     - are generally bad at expressing laws with code, let alone expressing social norms with code

     MMN-o ✅⃠ repeated this.
   • MMN-o ✅⃠ (mmn@social.umeahackerspace.se)'s status on Wednesday, 04-Apr-2018 21:41:57 UTC MMN-o ✅⃠

     • Rysiekúr (old account)
     @rysiek Users need to back stuff up. If they don't they'll inevitably lose everything. That is not user appealing.
   • MMN-o ✅⃠ (mmn@social.umeahackerspace.se)'s status on Wednesday, 04-Apr-2018 22:18:00 UTC MMN-o ✅⃠

     • Rysiekúr (old account)
     @rysiek *pushes backup-snooze-button*
     
     WHAT, YOU MEAN I ACTUALLY HAD TO MAKE A BACKUP AND REMEMBER THE PASSWORD FOR IT??????????? FUCK YOU I'LL JUST GO BACK TO TWITTER
   • MMN-o ✅⃠ (mmn@social.umeahackerspace.se)'s status on Friday, 06-Apr-2018 06:23:21 UTC MMN-o ✅⃠

     • Alexandre Oliva
     @lxoliva So with Twister I have to store the distributedly Backes up Chile pornography? And if someone's backup is badly protected, I can _become_ that identity by just loading it on to my local client? Sounds like a system I don't want to use for my everyday social activities.