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1. Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Apr-2018 01:37:16 UTC Hallå Kitteh

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   @klaatu @archer72 Is there a good link describing the differences?
   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Apr-2018 03:09:10 UTC Hallå Kitteh

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     @klaatu @archer72 It has journaling? That's a huge difference then. I think UFS still relies on soft updates and journaling is too difficult to add without breaking that?
   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Apr-2018 03:09:40 UTC Hallå Kitteh

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     @klaatu @archer72 ... aaand that's exactly what the linked paper is about. Alright then. :-)
   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Apr-2018 23:43:07 UTC Hallå Kitteh

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     @vertigo @klaatu @archer72 I'm betting it's because SUs are super hard to get right, and require the write barriers to hold all the way to the spinning disk.
     
     I used PFS on the Amiga, and it was awesome. The Amiga was blessed with few layers of abstraction and primitive hardware without buffers, compared to today's components of magic and mystery.
   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Apr-2018 23:55:39 UTC Hallå Kitteh

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     @klaatu @vertigo @archer72 https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/configtuning-disk.html#soft-updates makes it sound like SU might not be the default and needs to be enabled. That sounds completely ridiculous.
   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Apr-2018 23:57:33 UTC Hallå Kitteh

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     @vertigo @klaatu @archer72 I've heard the opposite! People usually run NetBSD or OpenBSD on servers, but on desktop/laptop they prefer FreeBSD because it's more optimized for that use case, with X acceleration and whatnot.
   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Apr-2018 23:57:46 UTC Hallå Kitteh

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     @klaatu @vertigo @archer72 Wow.
   • Vertigo (vertigo@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 04-Apr-2018 00:01:18 UTC Vertigo

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     @clacke @klaatu @archer72 This is why AmigaOS doesn't have any concept of "fsync" or "shutdown" commands. You literally just waited five seconds (with all programs closed, save for Workbench), after which any disks with unflushed buffers would do their thing. After they all came to a stop, you literally just flipped the power off.

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