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1. Dolus (dolus@gs.smuglo.li)'s status on Thursday, 29-Mar-2018 01:56:45 UTC Dolus
   Terrible, TERRIBLE decision in the Google V Oracle court case:
   
   http://money.cnn.com/2018/03/27/news/companies/google-oracle-case/index.html
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   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Thursday, 29-Mar-2018 02:49:36 UTC Hallå Kitteh

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     @dolus Will have to listen to what #twil says about this.
   • LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864} (lnxw48a1@nu.federati.net)'s status on Thursday, 29-Mar-2018 03:18:55 UTC LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864}

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     @noyoushutthefuckupdad @dolus @clacke This will hurt numerous FLOSS projects far worse than it could possibly hurt Google.
     
     Anyone using open source projects built on Java or compatible APIs, as well as many other projects where they use APIs compatible with a patent-wielding proprietary vendor. Think about all the cloud stuff that mimics Amazon's APIs.
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   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Thursday, 29-Mar-2018 06:32:55 UTC Hallå Kitteh

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     @benis @dolus @moonman @noyoushutthefuckupdad @lnxw48a1 @karolat
     
     It's not even mostly about Java, it's much bigger. This is a landmark case.
     
     This has implications on every single interoperability project ever. And that means it has the potential to shut down almost every successful strategy humanity has had for liberating users from proprietary lock-in.
   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Thursday, 29-Mar-2018 06:37:50 UTC Hallå Kitteh

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     @dolus @moonman @noyoushutthefuckupdad @lnxw48a1 @benis @karolat
     
     For people using straight Java, this case doesn't mean much. OpenJDK, IBM Java, Oracle Java, if you're on Java proper you are using something that was licensed to use Java APIs.
     
     Google reimplemented the APIs, and what really pissed Oracle off was that they did it on a platform that wasn't really the platform Java, only the language and some raisins from the Java platform cake, combined with completely foreign interfaces not portable to other Javas.
   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Thursday, 29-Mar-2018 06:43:20 UTC Hallå Kitteh

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     @benis Yes, I am. If it is profitable, people will do it.
     
     Other countries hopefully will not copy the decision, but the US is bad enough to wreck the development community, which, even though Germany is also a stronghold, is centered on the US.
     
     The Google vs Oracle angle is utterly uninteresting, that's just a matter of Goliaths sending each other money. The only relevant implications, and they are really serious implications, are how this affects independent software production.
   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Thursday, 29-Mar-2018 06:57:12 UTC Hallå Kitteh

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     twit.tv/twil417 seems to be mostly Cambridge Analytica and a little bit about that Tesla death. I'm guessing next week will be all about this Oracle v Google decision.
   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Thursday, 29-Mar-2018 07:08:52 UTC Hallå Kitteh

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     @benis
     
     > overturned public domain
     
     Not really. It's another stupid and destructive decision, but the Public Domain is still there, and the positive news is, apart from these foreign works that have been lucky to live in a special enlarged PD and now seem to have lost it, the PD is scheduled to grow every year from now, for now.
     
     I don't know the copyright and patent contents of this revived CPTPP thing, they're probably terrible, but if auto industries are angry, it's probably at least partly a terrific deal. :-D
     
     Linkified link:
     
     http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/tpp-champagne-deal-1.4499616