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1. Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Friday, 23-Mar-2018 07:49:53 UTC Hallå Kitteh

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   • Björn Schießle 🌍 🇪🇺
   @raucao @bjoern Apart from the ownership structure.
   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Friday, 23-Mar-2018 08:02:29 UTC Hallå Kitteh

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     @raucao @bjoern I rate the risk for all of those higher with Facebook as the owner.
   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Friday, 23-Mar-2018 08:15:50 UTC Hallå Kitteh

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     @raucao @bjoern
     
     - Prism, gag orders: I trust Open Whisper Systems more than Facebook to challenge those. It was founded by and is still run by people who care about privacy.
     - sysadmin gone mad, getting infra pwned: Open Whisper Systems is funded by donations and grants, they're not primarily a money-printing machine that can hire any sysadmin they like and still stay true to their primary goal.
     
     But sure, WhatsApp is far better than using Messenger, Signal is a bit better than using WhatsApp and OMEMO/XMPP is far better than using Signal -- if you can get people to use it, and verify their keys.
   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Friday, 23-Mar-2018 08:17:10 UTC Hallå Kitteh

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     @raucao @bjoern Boxing is not just the punch, it's also the footwork. Moving people to free software is creating a foundation for moving people to more free software.
   • Björn Schießle 🌍 🇪🇺 (bjoern@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 23-Mar-2018 08:18:19 UTC Björn Schießle 🌍 🇪🇺

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     @raucao
     1) one is a black box where you have to trust the ownet the other one not, IMHO this makes a difference. 2) AFAIK that's much more than WhatsApp does: https://signal.org/blog/private-contact-discovery/ the last time I checks WhatsApp synced and stored the whole address book. 3) IMHO it makes a difference, first the meta data are different, see 2. Second whether you can combine it with all the online and offline information from facebook or not makes a difference as well.

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