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1. Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Saturday, 10-Mar-2018 14:04:18 UTC Hallå Kitteh
   Slack people are closing down their XMPP and IRC gateways. The embrace period is over, now moving over to extinguish.
   
   They're so intent on owning your user experience that you can't even read the announcement without signing in.
   
   https://archive.is/hlUjg
   
   I have a Slack account, so here's the lede:
   
   > Saying goodbye to Slack’s IRC and XMPP gateways
   
   > As Slack has evolved over the years, we’ve built features and capabilities — like Shared Channels, Threads, and emoji reactions (to name a few) — that the IRC and XMPP gateways aren’t able to handle. Our priority is to provide a secure and high-quality experience across all platforms, and so the time has come to close the gateways.
   
   Then it goes on about their great screen reader support, and how their Real Time Message and Events APIs can be used instead of writing IRC bots.
   
   /via https://web.archive.org/web/20180310133248/http://gwolf.org
   
   gwolf also links to https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-319-57735-7_1 (front page links to a PDF with the actual content), which analyzes the phenomenon of free software projects organizing using centralized, non-free communication tools.
   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Saturday, 10-Mar-2018 14:13:47 UTC Hallå Kitteh

     • ralphtheninja
     @ralph Yeah, I have an account for HK Codeaholics, but I'm never on there.
   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Saturday, 10-Mar-2018 14:20:16 UTC Hallå Kitteh

     • tomasino
     @tomasino ok
   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Sunday, 11-Mar-2018 03:50:50 UTC Hallå Kitteh

     • Max Mustermann
     @maxmustermann Just normal market forces is a sufficient explanation.
   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Sunday, 11-Mar-2018 03:53:58 UTC Hallå Kitteh

     • Max Mustermann
     @cow2001 @maxmustermann
     
     Yes.
     
     Free market: Right angles.
     
     State-plannet market: Left angles.
   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Sunday, 11-Mar-2018 03:54:09 UTC Hallå Kitteh

     in reply to

     • Max Mustermann
     @maxmustermann @cow2001 planned* urgh
   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Sunday, 11-Mar-2018 04:17:37 UTC Hallå Kitteh

     • Wolf480pl
     @wolf480pl
     
     > unlike Discord, they don't fitght with 3rd party clients like this
     
     Yet.
     
     > Slack was designed to keep the history, and to let you search through it.
     
     That doesn't really affect anything core to the protocols. Just log your IRC and search it. Or gate into it with a logged Matrix room.
   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Sunday, 11-Mar-2018 04:44:26 UTC Hallå Kitteh

     • Bernie
     @codewiz Yeah I know that's why I quoted some of it. The archive.is link was just to show how boneheaded they are.
     
     Thanks for archiving. You got some Latin-1 vs UTF-8 issues in there.
   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Sunday, 11-Mar-2018 17:11:21 UTC Hallå Kitteh

     • Max Mustermann
     @maxmustermann @cow2001
     
     The way I see the horseshoe play out in the 19th, 20th and 21st centuries is like this:
     
     Conservative: The state should enforce traditional societal structures.
     
     Nazi: ... with camps and thought police!
     
     Classical liberal: No actually it shouldn't.
     
     Social liberal: Maybe it should make it easier for people to escape them.
     
     Democratic socialist: The state should work against traditional societal structures.
     
     Leninist/Stalinist/Maoist: ... with camps and thought police!
   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Sunday, 11-Mar-2018 17:12:11 UTC Hallå Kitteh

     • Bernie
     @codewiz Huh. Didn't know their defaults differ.
   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Sunday, 11-Mar-2018 17:14:22 UTC Hallå Kitteh

     • Max Mustermann
     @maxmustermann Slack the IRC usurper, not Slackware the GNU/Linux distro.
   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Sunday, 11-Mar-2018 17:16:16 UTC Hallå Kitteh

     • Michał Sidor (Michcioperz) ☑️
     @michcioperz True. We're lucky they didn't embrace it more than they did. They could have aimed at killing off Freenode by promising the same IRC services plus their own interface.
   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Sunday, 11-Mar-2018 17:20:25 UTC Hallå Kitteh

     • Michał Sidor (Michcioperz) ☑️
     @michcioperz I'm personally not affected. But I find it a nice example to show people they should have gone with free and federated all along.
   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Sunday, 11-Mar-2018 17:28:51 UTC Hallå Kitteh

     • Michał Sidor (Michcioperz) ☑️
     @michcioperz We were lucky.
   • kaniini (kaniini@pleroma.dereferenced.org)'s status on Sunday, 11-Mar-2018 17:30:04 UTC kaniini

     in reply to

     • Michał Sidor (Michcioperz) ☑️
     @clacke @Michcioperz
     
     while Slack would be a step in the wrong direction, freenode right now is "too big to fail" and that has it's own share of problems.
     
     i would like to see something decentralized like matrix win out in the long run
     Hallå Kitteh repeated this.
   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Mar-2018 01:38:58 UTC Hallå Kitteh

     • Max Mustermann
     @maxmustermann To draw people in. Now they consider the operation successful and are applying the exit strategy.
   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Mar-2018 01:57:06 UTC Hallå Kitteh

     • Catonano
     • p̸h̴o̸⁴c̵e̴ₓa̵
     • Máirín Ní Dhufaigh
     • keithzg
     @keithzg @pho4cexa @catonano @mairin Thanks to the bait and switch blog post, I am now trying out converse.js over at https://inverse.chat/ .
   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Mar-2018 06:54:21 UTC Hallå Kitteh

     • Max Mustermann
     @maxmustermann Hence the title of that converse.js author blog post. :-)