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1. Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Monday, 15-Jan-2018 08:19:10 UTC Hallå Kitteh
   I didn't realize it was that terrible. Now I'm starting to understand the scope of the student debt crisis Americans are talking about.
   
   > 48,000 dollars are needed for non-members to graduate from BYU Hawaii ($24,000 for a member), $114,000 are needed to graduate from the cost-conscious religious schools, and $212,000 dollars are necessary to attend four years at the non-religious liberal arts school.
   
   So, BYU is at a similar level as a UK university. IIRC they're at 4000-8000 EUR/semester. You can argue whether students or the state should pay for it, but as the article calculates, that's a pretty reasonable ballpark cost for the education itself, even if you could probably get it for the same price if you and your four friends hire the professors as private tutors instead.
   
   But these other places. Where are they spending all that money? On advertising so that employers and students will think their courses are worth all that money?
   
   It is, indeed, insane.
   
   https://scholars-stage.blogspot.hk/2018/01/modern-universities-are-exercise-in.html
   
   /via https://twitter.com/Meaningness/status/952794097433042946
   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Monday, 15-Jan-2018 10:34:42 UTC Hallå Kitteh

     • Charles 𝄢 Hutchins
     @celesteh How much do community colleges usually cost?
   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Monday, 15-Jan-2018 10:45:39 UTC Hallå Kitteh

     • Charles 𝄢 Hutchins
     @celesteh
     
     > waste money on professionalised sports and overpaying a few celebrity lecturers
     
     Would you say this goes under "marketing", or are they doing it for other reasons that don't even remotely benefit even the university as an organisation?
   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Monday, 15-Jan-2018 12:00:04 UTC Hallå Kitteh

     • Charles 𝄢 Hutchins
     @celesteh I should read more books.
   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Monday, 15-Jan-2018 13:04:50 UTC Hallå Kitteh

     • Charles 𝄢 Hutchins
     @celesteh From what I understand most religious unis are perfectly capable of doing real science without insisting on creationism or whatever, just that they happened to be founded by religious people and may (or may not) have odd campus rules like what you mentioned.
   • Charles 𝄢 Hutchins (celesteh@algonoise.social)'s status on Monday, 15-Jan-2018 15:55:48 UTC Charles 𝄢 Hutchins

     in reply to
     @clacke I mean, the also extremely right wing. Most Christian HE founded since the 1950s has been, in some or all measure, a response to desegregation. The primary organising force among white evangelical Christians in the us is whiteness. Unfortunately, this also increasingly applies to Catholics as right wing white Christianity has rebranded to oppose abortion and LGBTQ people as other vectors of people not knowing their place and acting as if they have agency or something.
     Anyway, there's a giant movement to give all of the state's social welfare organisations over to churches while simultaneously empowering churches to ignore what civil rights laws they don't happen to like.
     Christian education is NOT the answer to underfunding public services.
     Hallå Kitteh repeated this.
   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Jan-2018 00:26:34 UTC Hallå Kitteh

     • Coco
     @lain You can still do that? Sweden doesn't do that anymore. I thought it was only Norway and one more country, maybe Italy or Austria, that still allowed non-EU foreigners free studies.
   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Monday, 22-Jan-2018 12:32:21 UTC Hallå Kitteh

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     • LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864}
     • Charles ☭ Hutchins
     • Coco
     @lnxw48a1 @celesteh @xj9 @lain @detectivehyde Rhode Island offers tuition-free community college!
     
     http://freakonomics.com/podcast/modern-democrat-win/