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1. SukinoSenze🐣 (sukinosenze@mstdn.io)'s status on Tuesday, 09-Jan-2018 03:30:10 UTC SukinoSenze🐣

   I don't know why many of programmer communities in Thailand still using Line group as their primary channel. :thinking_very_hard:

   We have a better choice such as Telegram that has a large amount of better group features. :blobcheer:

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   • Vee Satayamas (veer66@mastodon.xyz)'s status on Tuesday, 09-Jan-2018 03:48:24 UTC Vee Satayamas

     @SukinoSenze Slack is centralized like Twitter. In this aspect, if Slack is modern, IRC may be post modern.

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   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Tuesday, 09-Jan-2018 05:35:45 UTC Hallå Kitteh

     • Vee Satayamas
     @sukinosenze @veer66 Matrix even has bridges to Gitter.
   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Tuesday, 09-Jan-2018 05:36:37 UTC Hallå Kitteh

     • Vee Satayamas
     @veer66 @sukinosenze I'm raising my XMPP hand, but neither of you can see it because I don't have you on XMPP.
   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Tuesday, 09-Jan-2018 06:07:29 UTC Hallå Kitteh

     • Vee Satayamas
     @veer66 @sukinosenze I would probably use Pidgin, but I wouldn't call it simple nor recommended. I only use Conversations on Android these days.
   • rburns (rburns@kosmos.social)'s status on Tuesday, 09-Jan-2018 06:24:29 UTC rburns

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     • Vee Satayamas

     @veer66 @clacke @SukinoSenze Dino is quite nice. Though they've held off making a release until it has a desired feature set. Compiles easily. I agree though. Android currently offers the best xmpp experience via conversations. Chatsecure on iOS has seen recent improvements. Last I tested APNS configuration wasnt quite seamless for new users.

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   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Tuesday, 09-Jan-2018 08:55:34 UTC Hallå Kitteh

     • Elias Mårtenson
     • Vee Satayamas
     @loke @sukinosenze @veer66 If the software is free software, like with Minds, but the data I create -- posts, connections to other users, etc -- is tied to one instance, and that instance is the place I have to go because of network effects, then in effect the freeness of the software doesn't buy me much.
     
     If I can run my own instance, modify it as I like, keep it running if some flagship instance goes down, and can still meet a big network of people, then it is practical free software.
     
     Federation, or even better, p2p, is essential for a free network service. That's why the fediverse was created.
   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Tuesday, 09-Jan-2018 09:04:47 UTC Hallå Kitteh

     • Elias Mårtenson
     • Vee Satayamas
     @loke @sukinosenze @veer66 Tying a real-time channel to an asynchronous semi-slow channel isn't optimal.
     
     A more relevant use case than following IM from OStatus is following OStatus from IM, as indeed laconi.ca/StatusNet supported back in the day, by having an XMPP representation of your feed.
   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Tuesday, 09-Jan-2018 09:15:21 UTC Hallå Kitteh

     • Elias Mårtenson
     • Vee Satayamas
     @loke @sukinosenze @veer66 No, the killer feature of any of these federated networks is really federated identity. Maybe you have to go to some other site to work with some particular document, but you want to not have to register for Yet Another Site.
   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Tuesday, 09-Jan-2018 09:26:47 UTC Hallå Kitteh

     • Elias Mårtenson
     • Vee Satayamas
     @loke @sukinosenze @veer66 Maybe the simplest way is to have the server be an OpenID provider and an OpenID consumer. But I think OpenID got eaten by something else these days, like OAuth Connect or whatever.
     
     But still, OpenID turned out to be too generic, because everyone needs to add their own account metadata. So it turns out you're still creating accounts, it's just quicker and easier. With more application-specific identities, you can do things like e.g. have an activity record on your home server showing that somebody on another server edited your thing, that you created a thing on some third server, etc.
     
     At that point, you'd be adding Matrix, XMPP (or even Movim), ActivityPub or OStatus support to your service, depending on your use case.