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1. Nate Cull (natecull@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 12-Dec-2017 04:10:50 UTC Nate Cull

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   @vertigo @akkartik @seanl @h Electronic circuit diagrams are another interesting counterexample. They evolved before computers, of course, so there wasn't a need for them to be easily serialisable across a planetary information network originally designed to host 5-bit Teletypes.

   It would be *super cool* to have graphical languages - I've expected it since the Commodore PET's graphics symbols in PETSCI. But interop is the big problem. Things like PETSCI just died, and so much was lost.

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   • Sean R. Lynch ☑️ (seanl@social.literati.org)'s status on Tuesday, 12-Dec-2017 04:54:13 UTC Sean R. Lynch ☑️

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     @natecull @akkartik @h @vertigo Could have nested expressions in cases where an expression's value is used only once, arrows where it's used in multiple places.

     One cool thing about visual programming is that you can avoid naming variables much of the time. Not that that would impress @h since they like Forth :)

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   • Sean R. Lynch ☑️ (seanl@social.literati.org)'s status on Tuesday, 12-Dec-2017 05:06:40 UTC Sean R. Lynch ☑️

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     @h @natecull @akkartik @vertigo Yeah I would not design a language for existing programmers. A lot of assembly language programmers had no interest in Fortran when it came out. In fact, all the new languages tended to be adopted by people who weren't already programming in one of the older ones.

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   • Kartik Agaram (akkartik@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 12-Dec-2017 06:02:50 UTC Kartik Agaram

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     @seanl You guys are really blowing up my inbox, and I'm conflicted on how to enter this conversation. On the one hand, I'm *very* sympathetic to your goals:

     1) Making programming accessible to non-programmers. See http://akkartik.name/post/mu.

     2) Making dataflow more apparent. When I program I like to selectively give certain identifiers random but persistent colors. https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/1w76um/coding_in_color/cezpios. (Contrast syntax highlighting which gives all identifiers rigid colors.)

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   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Tuesday, 12-Dec-2017 06:43:19 UTC Hallå Kitteh

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     @natecull @vertigo @h @seanl @akkartik Sumerians.
   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Tuesday, 12-Dec-2017 06:45:19 UTC Hallå Kitteh

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     @seanl @vertigo @natecull @h @akkartik The IDE "helping" mw is masochism.
   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Tuesday, 12-Dec-2017 06:50:09 UTC Hallå Kitteh

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     @h @vertigo @natecull @seanl @akkartik
     
     Every presentation by Bret Victor on http://worrydream.com .
   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Tuesday, 12-Dec-2017 06:55:45 UTC Hallå Kitteh

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     @seanl @vertigo @natecull @h @akkartik
     
     I heard in a presentation the other day that when assembler came out, a lot of programmers felt it put too much distance between you and the machine. If you didn't know exactly which bits went where, how could you reuse opcodes as data when they happened to coincide?
   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Tuesday, 12-Dec-2017 07:02:15 UTC Hallå Kitteh
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     > My spirit animal Brett Victor
     
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   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Tuesday, 12-Dec-2017 12:22:51 UTC Hallå Kitteh

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     @h @vertigo @natecull @mike @seanl @akkartik Some synthesizers used thick 2" floppies, I think. Anybody have any of those left?