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1. D Dino (garbados@toot.cat)'s status on Wednesday, 19-Jul-2017 18:46:16 UTC D Dino

   programming is hard but i figure it's a lot harder than the industry would have you believe, largely because they afford themselves tremendous margins of error. imagine if NASA had "built fast and broke things" on its way to The Goddamn Moon. imagine if we took data breaches as more than ~embarrassing~

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   • Kabuki Fox & Security Theater (kellerfuchs@vulpine.club)'s status on Wednesday, 19-Jul-2017 23:52:58 UTC Kabuki Fox & Security Theater

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     @garbados Opposing view: programming is a lot easier than the industry would have you believe, but they are hobbled by antiquated software engineering practices and programming technologies.

     Disclaimer: I definitely agree with the point on error margins (and that it is ridiculous that we tolerate those), and that software isn't getting better (i.e. more secure, reliable or efficient).
     Also, I'm a PL & infosec researcher, so I might be highly biased.

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   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Thursday, 20-Jul-2017 01:49:33 UTC Hallå Kitteh

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     YES. This is a problem in society in general. I keep having to explain this. Someone will ask me "Hey, this guy wants a site that can do this, would that be easy to do?" and I'll say "Sure, that's trivial, just give me 50000 bucks and I'll do it in half a year, double that, and I'll get a really good guy that can help me do it in three months and it'll look better too". "But you said it's easy!"
     
     Yeah, but that doesn't mean there is no work involved. It just means I don't think there's any unknown work involved.