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1. Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Sunday, 21-May-2017 01:16:35 UTC Hallå Kitteh

   • r҉ustic cy͠be̸rpu̵nk🤠🤖
   @cypnk That's a heartwarming story! Glad to hear it.
   
   Those factories are running because of globalization. Should the factory be in Buffalo instead?
   
   Those people were able to leave because Sri Lanka allowed them to leave and because other countries allowed them to enter. That's part of globalization too.
   
   The freedom to leave the country you were born if conditions there are unfair is the most important part. I'm aware that people's financial situation may make it impossible to use this freedom, but that doesn't make the freedom any less important.
   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Thursday, 18-May-2017 09:28:04 UTC Hallå Kitteh

     • r҉ustic cy͠be̸rpu̵nk🤠🤖
     > You're going to get a sense of what globalization looks like.
     
     It's what enables people from privileged countries to take a summer, get a backpack, go to Delhi, go to Saigon, go to Bangkok, go to Kenya, and have their mind blown.
     
     It's what turns the local lower class to a global upper class that gets scared when people from other countries want a part in that privilege.
     
     When people fight globalization because it outsources American jobs to China, they're fighting to retain that privilege, where you can get globally rich by being born in the right country.
   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Thursday, 18-May-2017 22:36:23 UTC Hallå Kitteh

     • anonymous shitposter of terror
     • r҉ustic cy͠be̸rpu̵nk🤠🤖
     @hardbass2k8 @cypnk Then I'm afraid Henry Rollins says your light bulb will never go on.
   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Thursday, 18-May-2017 22:37:35 UTC Hallå Kitteh

     • Ja tu zara go szabelką zaciukam xD
     • anonymous shitposter of terror
     • r҉ustic cy͠be̸rpu̵nk🤠🤖
     @roka @hardbass2k8 @cypnk What is the significance of a quintuple single-quote?
   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Thursday, 18-May-2017 22:38:30 UTC Hallå Kitteh

     • Ja tu zara go szabelką zaciukam xD
     • anonymous shitposter of terror
     • r҉ustic cy͠be̸rpu̵nk🤠🤖
     @hardbass2k8 @roka @cypnk I don't think anyone should feel guilt. Just saying that Rollins is a big hypocrite in that quote.
   • r҉ustic cy͠be̸rpu̵nk🤠🤖 (cypnk@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 20-May-2017 19:15:03 UTC r҉ustic cy͠be̸rpu̵nk🤠🤖

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     @clacke @hardbass2k8 I don't think that's what he says. It's hard to grasp the full context of his words because this is only an excerpt, but I think his vision is for the world for people to empower themselves. We're seeing something a bit similar in China with the awakening of young people to what's outside their world. They're slowly trickling in ideas from the outside after getting their minds blown

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   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Saturday, 20-May-2017 23:45:56 UTC Hallå Kitteh

     • r҉ustic cy͠be̸rpu̵nk🤠🤖
     @cypnk I'm happy that you were able to come to a place you feel fortunate to be! Did you come alone or with your family, if you don't mind me asking?
     
     I think he is right that visiting places and meeting people opens your mind. I just instinctively lash out at "use the power of globalization to see how terrible globalization is". It could be regarded as a jujutsu move, I suppose. But the way he describes it really makes it sound like slumming.
     
     LARP being in poor countries for a while, then withdraw to your own safe harbor and reflect.
   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Sunday, 21-May-2017 00:00:24 UTC Hallå Kitteh

     • r҉ustic cy͠be̸rpu̵nk🤠🤖
     @cypnk Thanks for sharing! I'm not trying to speak for anyone, just describing how I reacted to the text.
     
     I'm divided on the concept of backpacking, in particular from an environmental perspective and the perspective of how much of the world you really get to see. It depends a lot on how you do it and what you do with it. I do agree that it is probably good for the backpacker personally.
   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Sunday, 21-May-2017 00:08:29 UTC Hallå Kitteh

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     • anonymous shitposter of terror
     • r҉ustic cy͠be̸rpu̵nk🤠🤖
     • Coco
     @cypnk @hardbass2k8 @lain @moonman Full interview here: https://social.heldscal.la/url/475187
     
     He does seem to be doing it the right way.
   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Sunday, 21-May-2017 00:12:10 UTC Hallå Kitteh

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     • Goddess of Desire
     > So I come back to America saying yeah, regulation please, a lot of it. Deregulation looks like parts of India, where the air is going to shorten your life, or downtown Beijing, which at noon has fairly unbreathable air.
     
     /trigger @dtluna
   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Sunday, 21-May-2017 00:38:52 UTC Hallå Kitteh

     • r҉ustic cy͠be̸rpu̵nk🤠🤖
     @cypnk I don't know, man. Globalization just enables someone with maybe lower expectations of living standard, or maybe just better local economic policies, to benefit from that job instead of the person who had it before.
     
     And someone with capital to profit, of course. Whether this is a problem is not something people can agree on.
     
     Poverty, desperation and drug abuse is caused by local policy in response (or not) to globalization. Minimum wage, zoning, taxation, certification requirements, trade restrictions ... The locally unemployed can't get work because administrations protect the locally employed from the globally employed and unemployed.
   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Sunday, 21-May-2017 00:54:09 UTC Hallå Kitteh

     • r҉ustic cy͠be̸rpu̵nk🤠🤖
     @cypnk At the same time, people from rural China were queuing up to start working at FoxConn.
   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Sunday, 21-May-2017 00:56:51 UTC Hallå Kitteh

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     • r҉ustic cy͠be̸rpu̵nk🤠🤖
     @cypnk Globalization is not Pareto-optimal, that's for sure. There are people gaining and losing from it. I just think people criticizing globalization are blind to the people gaining, except when they are people who already are rich.
     
     Why should people in Dhaka and Shenzhen be denied job opportunities because Buffalo can't take care of its citizens? Is that ethical?
   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Sunday, 21-May-2017 00:58:21 UTC Hallå Kitteh

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     I should say, not a Pareto improvement.
   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Sunday, 21-May-2017 01:01:45 UTC Hallå Kitteh

     • r҉ustic cy͠be̸rpu̵nk🤠🤖
     @cypnk If other jobs are more prosperous, what is their incentive to take the crappy job?
   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Sunday, 21-May-2017 01:23:10 UTC Hallå Kitteh

     • Goddess of Desire
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     @cypnk Ok, that's a good example of when free trade can't solve everything. This kind of situation is in fact a situation where I would be in favor of trade barriers and/or other regulation, because each business can't be required to look into the conditions of each trade partner and consumer power probably won't make it happen through voluntary means, so a government is a good place to place this responsibility.
     
     What do you say, @dtluna? I'm sure you have a different answer than I do.
     
     - A business partner in another country is violating the NAP.
     - Your enlightened self-interest would be to not act immorally and trade with this partner, but your competition is trading with them, and your choice is to do it or get undercut.
   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Sunday, 21-May-2017 01:39:05 UTC Hallå Kitteh

     • Goddess of Desire
     • r҉ustic cy͠be̸rpu̵nk🤠🤖
     @dtluna @cypnk Not if thr workers are not free agents.
   • Stephen Michael Kellat (alpacaherder@quitter.se)'s status on Sunday, 21-May-2017 02:24:24 UTC Stephen Michael Kellat

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     • r҉ustic cy͠be̸rpu̵nk🤠🤖
     @clacke @cypnk The planet-wide taxation claims by my nation-state make leaving troublesome too.  Wherever I go, I must still pay them taxes.
   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Sunday, 21-May-2017 03:15:05 UTC Hallå Kitteh

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     • r҉ustic cy͠be̸rpu̵nk🤠🤖
     @alpacaherder @cypnk Yes. You come from a troublesome place. The requirement is unethical, but from what I hear from my US friends over here, the effective rate when working abroad isn't all that bad for a simple salaryman?
   • Simon 🌧 (simonv3@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 23-May-2017 07:58:59 UTC Simon 🌧

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     • r҉ustic cy͠be̸rpu̵nk🤠🤖

     @clacke @cypnk in this article from 2002 David Graeber does a good job of drawing the distinction between the left's form of globalization and the neoliberal form of it. Also some history on the term:

     https://newleftreview.org/II/13/david-graeber-the-new-anarchists

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