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1. Charles ☭ Hutchins (celesteh@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 07-Apr-2017 12:13:46 UTC Charles ☭ Hutchins

   Watching GNU Social users freak out that Mastodon instances block Nazis, is well, everything wrong with the 'Free' software movement.
   I always thought RMS's insistence on ABSOLUTE FREEDOM was a quirky Mad Max fetish, but as libertarian thinking has become dominant in American politics, it's become more concerning.
   If his utopia is lberalism eating itself, this should have been a clue to be a it more wary, but frankly all software politics suck.

   • Hallå Kitteh repeated this.
   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Friday, 07-Apr-2017 13:01:45 UTC Hallå Kitteh

     in reply to
     > People who say they block nazis only block actual nazis
     
     > RMS is a libertarian
     
     :-D
   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Friday, 07-Apr-2017 13:28:07 UTC Hallå Kitteh
     @celesteh No, I was paraphrasing you. That's what the ">" implies.
   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Friday, 07-Apr-2017 13:29:45 UTC Hallå Kitteh
     @celesteh 30 years of speech and action. Just browse through https://quitter.no/rms and see what he thinks of governments, corporations and regulation.
   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Friday, 07-Apr-2017 13:31:01 UTC Hallå Kitteh

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     • Hallå Kitteh
     @celesteh Err that's https://gnusocial.no/rms . Sorry.
   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Friday, 07-Apr-2017 13:59:21 UTC Hallå Kitteh
     @celesteh FSF is in favor of measures that increase diversity. They get flak for a lot of this from people who just want to code and don't want to be bothered with social issues.
     
     But that's not what I'm getting at. If you look outside code and internal project management, he is anything but a libertarian. Maybe socialist was a bit hyperbolic. He's a social liberal.
     
     """
     However, I don’t believe that you can use social mobility as an excuse for poverty. If someone who is very poor has a 5% chance of getting rich, that does not justify denying that person food, shelter, clothing, medical care, or education. I believe in the welfare state.
     
     JP: But you are not for equality of outcomes?
     
     RMS: No, I’m not for equality of outcomes. I want to prevent horrible outcomes. But aside from keeping people safe from excruciating outcomes, I believe some inequality is unavoidable.
     """
     
     https://zcomm.org/znetarticle/free-software-as-a-social-movement-by-richard-stallman/
   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Friday, 07-Apr-2017 14:02:13 UTC Hallå Kitteh

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     • Hallå Kitteh
     @celesteh Favoring a welfare state is not libertarian.
     
     In other places he speaks in favor of business regulation, e.g. he would like copyright to be abolished, but only if anyone redistributing a binary would be required by law to provide source code. That is not a libertarian position.
   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Friday, 07-Apr-2017 14:05:30 UTC Hallå Kitteh

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     • Hallå Kitteh
     @celesteh "He once described himself as "a sort of combination between a liberal and a leftist anarchist. I like to see people working together, voluntarily, to solve the world's problems. But, if we can't do that, I think we should get the government involved to solve them."
     
     http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2003/12/283113.html
   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Friday, 07-Apr-2017 14:11:03 UTC Hallå Kitteh

     • nds
     @nds @celesteh Abuse protection only works if it's cheaper to stop abuse than to create it, or if nobody invests in abuse.
     
     Apart from a lot of pretty low-effort spam back in the StatusNet days, the OStatus network hasn't seen much of an attack, that's why our mechanisms have worked well enough so far. Obscurity can be a blessing.
     
     I see the point of site blocking, it raises the cost for spam and abuse and makes countering it pretty cheap. The problem is when allowed speech is defined to narrowly.