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1. Dolus (dolus@gs.smuglo.li)'s status on Sunday, 26-Mar-2017 18:01:40 UTC Dolus

   • Ja tu zara go szabelką zaciukam xD
   @roka It's fine not to like Trump, but lets hope they don't pretend he's any worse than Obama.
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   • Dolus (dolus@gs.smuglo.li)'s status on Sunday, 26-Mar-2017 18:10:58 UTC Dolus

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     @nepfag @roka But they're using their money to spead said tranny acceptance. https://gs.smuglo.li/attachment/209297
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   • Dolus (dolus@gs.smuglo.li)'s status on Sunday, 26-Mar-2017 18:16:25 UTC Dolus

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     @mangeurdenuage Free Software+ will kill Free Software if nothing changes.
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   • Goddess of Desire (dtluna@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Sunday, 26-Mar-2017 18:18:18 UTC Goddess of Desire
     @dolus Super cancerous. I stopped saying "free software" and say "open source" now.
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   • Dolus (dolus@gs.smuglo.li)'s status on Sunday, 26-Mar-2017 18:19:15 UTC Dolus

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     @nepfag @roka We just need to find more people with the right kind of autism (or Down Syndrome, in the case of ESR).
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   • Goddess of Desire (dtluna@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Sunday, 26-Mar-2017 18:19:42 UTC Goddess of Desire

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     @dolus @nepfag @roka
     *waves a hand*
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   • Dolus (dolus@gs.smuglo.li)'s status on Sunday, 26-Mar-2017 18:20:11 UTC Dolus

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     @dtluna Free Software is the ideology; Open Source is a design methodology.
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   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Sunday, 26-Mar-2017 18:22:37 UTC Hallå Kitteh

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     @dolus @roka For science budgets? For putting people who know shit as department heads? For not looking like an idiot and/or asshole during state visits? Much worse.
   • Ja tu zara go szabelką zaciukam xD (roka@gs.smuglo.li)'s status on Sunday, 26-Mar-2017 18:24:07 UTC Ja tu zara go szabelką zaciukam xD

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     @mangeurdenuage @dolus @nepfag @dtluna >neutral ground
     it must become a safe space https://gs.smuglo.li/attachment/363488
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   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Sunday, 26-Mar-2017 18:24:08 UTC Hallå Kitteh

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     @dolus @nepfag @roka Kagome! I've never seen any Inuyasha pics posted on here before!
   • Dolus (dolus@gs.smuglo.li)'s status on Sunday, 26-Mar-2017 18:24:34 UTC Dolus

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     @clacke @roka You realize Barry basically took the tools Bush gave him and turned the NSA and CIA into engines the spooks from 1984 would envy.
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   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Sunday, 26-Mar-2017 18:24:47 UTC Hallå Kitteh

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     @dolus @mangeurdenuage "Free Software+" is a good analogy.
   • nepfag (nepfag@gs.smuglo.li)'s status on Sunday, 26-Mar-2017 18:26:48 UTC nepfag

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     @clacke @dolus @roka That's because it's low powerlevel.
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   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Sunday, 26-Mar-2017 18:27:49 UTC Hallå Kitteh

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     @dolus @roka Yes. Trump won't continue that *and* roll back useful things the government actually does *and* misuse state resources and legislation for going after people he doesn't like?
   • somercet (somercet@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 26-Mar-2017 18:28:43 UTC somercet

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     • Ja tu zara go szabelką zaciukam xD
     Most sex education could be profitably replaced by "How to recognize and avoid the death grip of a sociopath" classes. @roka @mangeurdenuage @nepfag @dolus @dtluna
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   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Sunday, 26-Mar-2017 18:29:39 UTC Hallå Kitteh

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     • Ja tu zara go szabelką zaciukam xD
     @somercet @dtluna @dolus @nepfag @mangeurdenuage @roka ... and then send people back in time to not vote for Trump or Hillary?
   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Sunday, 26-Mar-2017 18:30:23 UTC Hallå Kitteh

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     @nepfag @dolus @roka That's because it's more story than meme factory.
   • Ja tu zara go szabelką zaciukam xD (roka@gs.smuglo.li)'s status on Sunday, 26-Mar-2017 18:36:51 UTC Ja tu zara go szabelką zaciukam xD

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     @eris @dolus don't worry, they're also going to push for hacking+
     >math
     >artificial barrier https://gs.smuglo.li/attachment/363494
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   • nepfag (nepfag@gs.smuglo.li)'s status on Sunday, 26-Mar-2017 18:37:47 UTC nepfag

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     @mangeurdenuage @dolus said that we need someone like RMS. You know he could be filthy rich by now if he had sold out and made proprietary software back in his youth or that free software would never have taken off if the GPL v1 had a "no different opinions allowed!" clause.
     
     That's what I meant by this.
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   • Sim (sim@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Sunday, 26-Mar-2017 18:39:25 UTC Sim

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     @clacke 
     
     Must resist the urge to dissect this joke.
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   • Dolus (dolus@gs.smuglo.li)'s status on Sunday, 26-Mar-2017 18:41:11 UTC Dolus

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     @nepfag @mangeurdenuage RMS is the Diogenes of tech. He's a hard guy to be in the same room with, but we're all better of because he existed.
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   • Sim (sim@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Sunday, 26-Mar-2017 18:43:31 UTC Sim

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     @clacke @dolus @roka
     
     Doesn't this assume that Obama wasn't doing the same things? Sounds like politics moving along as usual.
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   • Dolus (dolus@gs.smuglo.li)'s status on Sunday, 26-Mar-2017 19:10:24 UTC Dolus

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     @nepfag @mangeurdenuage @tijagi Not giving a single fuck about social etiquette is another sighn of autism (the good kind).
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   • mangeurdenuage (mangeurdenuage@loadaverage.org)'s status on Sunday, 26-Mar-2017 19:10:51 UTC mangeurdenuage
     --Webber is a big source of the regressive cancer in the FSF--
     Reading the bio I can imagine that.
     Do you have some links to share please ?
     You can transmit them to me via gpg if needed
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   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Sunday, 26-Mar-2017 19:30:01 UTC Hallå Kitteh

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     • Ja tu zara go szabelką zaciukam xD
     @roka @dolus @eris
     
     The talk is based on the blog post here: https://www.fossygirl.com/blog/2016/5/24/the-set-of-programmers-how-math-restricts-us
     
     ... which actually has good points. I have been defending the need for math and logic to be a part of the CS curriculum, but the problem is that we conflate CS and programming.
     
     There are tons of programmers out there that are self-taught, but if you want to learn programming at the university, you have to take Computer Science/Technology/Engineering or similar degrees.
     
     Actually in Sweden you can study "systemvetenskap" ("systems science", but it seems the proper English term is "Information systems, social aspects"), which is more oriented toward software design and development as a craft and has only basic maths requirements. I don't know what kinds of vocational programming education is available in e.g. the US. I guess there's the bootcamps, which many people enjoy ridiculing, but I suppose there's probably some less-mathematical programming courses in community college too?
   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Sunday, 26-Mar-2017 19:31:49 UTC Hallå Kitteh

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     @mangeurdenuage @dolus Webber is an overall nice guy and supports all kinds of inclusive projects. I guess that's all the info you need.
   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Sunday, 26-Mar-2017 19:36:47 UTC Hallå Kitteh

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     @sim Dissecting time travel is seldom good for one's brain. Especially on a Sunday.
   • LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864} (lnxw48a1@nu.federati.net)'s status on Sunday, 26-Mar-2017 19:38:17 UTC LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864}

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     @clacke Yes, certainly. A lot of my community college courses had an applied focus. Some of the deeper math/logic/CS stuff was not available there at all.
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   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Sunday, 26-Mar-2017 19:42:08 UTC Hallå Kitteh

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     @roka @dtluna @dolus @nepfag @mangeurdenuage There's a fine line here, though. I agree that it's possible to take inclusionism "too far" if it means considering any factual, technical critique a form of abuse.
     
     But trolls and assholes really can drain the lifeblood out of a project, and if you can create an atmosphere where more people feel welcome, you really can grow your project more.
     
     Linking for like the third time this week to the C4 specification and to the anecdote that supports the case for inclusionism -- people over code.
     
     https://rfc.zeromq.org/spec:42/C4/
     
     http://hintjens.com/blog:93
   • Dolus (dolus@gs.smuglo.li)'s status on Sunday, 26-Mar-2017 19:43:46 UTC Dolus

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     @clacke @mangeurdenuage Webber is the faggot who has been pushing for regressive shit like (((safe spaces))) in the FSF. He is cancer. https://gs.smuglo.li/attachment/26970
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   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Sunday, 26-Mar-2017 19:45:22 UTC Hallå Kitteh

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     @dolus @mangeurdenuage He is my favorite cancer. We wouldn't have #activitypub if it weren't for him. :-)
   • Dolus (dolus@gs.smuglo.li)'s status on Sunday, 26-Mar-2017 19:45:35 UTC Dolus

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     @clacke @nepfag @roka @mangeurdenuage @dtluna
     
     >trolls and assholes
     
     Having a trolls and assoles in your project is often the difference between the Linux kernel and the HURD.
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   • Dolus (dolus@gs.smuglo.li)'s status on Sunday, 26-Mar-2017 19:46:37 UTC Dolus

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     @clacke @mangeurdenuage Not worth it if the cost is him injecting his regressive views into Free Software.
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   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Sunday, 26-Mar-2017 19:47:22 UTC Hallå Kitteh

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     @dolus @dtluna @nepfag @mangeurdenuage @roka Depends on the flavor.
     
     It can also be the difference between ZeroMQ and nanomsg.
   • shp (shpuld@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 26-Mar-2017 19:57:55 UTC shp

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     @chen @mangeurdenuage @nepfag @dolus @dtluna @roka @clacke @kfist reminder that Pleroma has the best CoC out there https://gitgud.io/lambadalambda/pleroma-fe/blob/develop/COFE_OF_CONDUCT.md
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   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Sunday, 26-Mar-2017 20:00:14 UTC Hallå Kitteh

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     @sim @dolus @roka No. There are levels. And there are still no signs of Obama e.g. putting a "tapp" on Trump.
   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Sunday, 26-Mar-2017 20:03:07 UTC Hallå Kitteh

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     @dolus @mangeurdenuage Fair enough. I just happen to really like the guy, and I think Free Software+ doesn't necessarily have to be a drain on Free Software, depending on how it's handled.
     
     Outreachy is it's own project with its own volunteers driving it, they're not forcing projects to join.
     
     If you look at the Libreboot debacle, the FSF didn't cave and hire back the person they probably fired for good reasons. Sure, Leah got the project back, but that's because she had already scared away other contributors and the FSF didn't want to touch the project anymore.
   • m0n5t3r (m0n5t3r@gs.m0n5t3r.info)'s status on Sunday, 26-Mar-2017 20:05:51 UTC m0n5t3r

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     @dtluna @nepfag @mangeurdenuage @dolus @roka @clacke the language is still mostly ok, even if I still dislike python3 (and the node-ish frenzy with which they keep adding crap; a language should move very slowly, otherwise we end up having to rewrite apps instead of building new stuff)
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   • Tomas SA2TMS (tomas@social.umeahackerspace.se)'s status on Sunday, 26-Mar-2017 20:57:51 UTC Tomas SA2TMS

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     @pettter @nepfag @roka @mangeurdenuage @dtluna @clacke Linus is more Finnish than asshole though. He only seems to be an ass towards people who should know better, and greedy bastards like Nvidia
     
     RE: the original point, I've seen multiple projects suffer because of a failure to act like decent people. Most famously FFmpeg and x264. When it's not interpersonal shit it tends to be sexism. Taking the troublesome element aside and talking to them tends to resolve many cases ("calling in" rather than calling out)
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