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@ajr @moonman Humans overall have become less and less violent and selfish over the last few thousand years, I don't see a special reason for this trend to stop.
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The future is Chinese-style government.
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@moonman They figured out how to have a stable state a few thousand years ago: Strong bureaucracy and a good ideology why the leaders should be in power.
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@lambadalambda also you keep out the huns with a wall.
but, i meant deng-xiaoping style state capitalist technocracy, the hellscape it currently is.
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@moonman I think it's Singapore style. Nominal democracy, but in practice a not-too-corrupt meritocracy. I think they should improve their freedom of speech, but then I don't run a massively successful country and it's very much preferable to China.
Side note: Yeah, they're Chinese.
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@moonman They might be the first state to switch to true communism (to each according to his needs) once the robots and AIs take most of our jobs. If you're used to the state meddling in the economy, this wouldn't be that different.
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@clacke I may be relying too much on right wing sources here, but the average IQ is very high and Yew tried to keep the ethnic balance intact and heavily clamped down on violence in any form.
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@lambadalambda interesting idea, i hadn't ever cobsidered that.
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@moonman Any dynasty including Mao and Deng really followed @lambadalambda's formula though. The ideology that can justify keeping shit together varies, but that's the foam at the top. Communism has corrupted parts of it, but China basically still runs on egalitarian recruitment, Imperial Examination and bureaucracy loyal to the System.
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@moonman Yes, those are parts of the locality-specific formula.
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@clacke @lambadalambda I think there's a lot more corruption than that.
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@moonman @lambadalambda Nah. There are tens of thousand of politicians siphoning cash to buy bitcoins and move to the States, and Xi should be punishing people in his own ranks too, not just the opposing factions, but overall the Chinese system actually works.
I'm afraid to say everything I think in public on the internet because they might not let me in to visit our relatives next time, but these days that's true for the US as well.
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@lambadalambda @moonman they have not. What your seeing is the peace of an empire, like the pax Romana or pax Mongolia where they were able to make life more bearable within their realms and brought about stability. Once stability is gone a vacuum is created and everybody runs to gain power til a new empire is forged, which eventually decays from the inside and a cycle is repeated
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@ajr @lambadalambda @moonman
The Chinese interregnums have been short and their Empires have been around for most of the time since Archimedes. Are you saying we don't want that?
I don't quite see what thesis you are arguing against. That the Chinese figured it out? I think what I'm saying here is that pretty much they've figured it out.
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@clacke @moonman @lambadalambda I'm just stating how I see history and human nature work.
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@ajr @lambadalambda @moonman I'm not seeing what you are seeing.
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