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@sim @netkitteh @dtluna From how I see it there are two main branches; we keep currency or we get rid of it. If we keep currency it will be because of either us banning full scale automation, however that will probably not work if it's not an international effort, or we create a rather dumb by design sozi state or welfare program where people are paid by the govt. to live so they can buy products (probably the least likely to happen). It would require international cooperation to keep a automation ban feasible as we have already seen what free trade can do to local or at the least national brands and manufacturing, imagine what it would be like to try and compete with a company that can produce products for free. For free I mean all levels of production could be without a single employee, thus getting rid of cost or value of the product. From the mining and refining of the ores and fuel sources to the utilisation of those resources.
If we get rid of currency (which I see as the most likely of the two branches) then we'll either live in a sort of cyberpunk nightmare where everything is made by faceless "businesses", a sort of communist dystopia or, perhaps least likely of the three, a Star Trek-esque sozi state. When I say faceless business I mean an industry without a person working in or heading it; albeit much like politicians a business owner abdicating is unlikely to happen. Since any product or service could be run without paying a penny on labour there would be little reason to have currency. We are already on track to dispose of many millions of jobs within the next ten years and with the boost of nanomachines repairs could be done to the automatons that replace them live on site, keeping them running indefinitely and replacing the job that everyone says will be needed in an automated world.
Like I said, I should really try and write a proper paper on this to better collect my thoughts.
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@dtluna @netkitteh
Well, I guess we'd better become business owners or mechanics for the machines. You say that we'll be replaced, but from what I can tell... because of the computer and internet, it has created more easy jobs. So... when machines start taking over more jobs, who knows what the job market will be like? Plus they can't take all jobs away... some will still require a human. Especially customer service jobs where people want to talk to a human being, for example. Technology can improve the tools that we use. I think we've discussed something like this before. There will still be jobs, it's just that the job market will look different again. Who knows where we'll be, or what we'll create in the future?
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@dokidoki @netkitteh @dtluna
If we don't have jobs to gather currency and trade... how will people live?
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@dokidoki @sim @netkitteh @dtluna Citizen's wage ("dumb by design sozi state") will happen. It's the only way to save state and currency.
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@clacke Either that or abandon it.
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@dokidoki Yeah, but you say the end of currency is more likely. I say state and currency won't allow it to end.
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@clacke @dokidoki @netkitteh @dtluna
Wow. You've found a really old thread here... no wonder I was having trouble placing what the conversation was about. Lol. How does that save state and currency?
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@sim @netkitteh @dtluna @netkitteh Wow, I didn't realize how old it was. Dunno how I ran upon it. Some search, probably.
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@sim @netkitteh @dtluna I agree with @dokidoki's initial analysis: Currency will serve the masses or perish. I disagree with the conclusion.
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@sim @netkitteh @dtluna @dokidoki State and currency are intertwined. The only way for the state to stay relevant: fully socialize currency.
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@clacke
Yeah... it surprised me too. Lol. Hmm... socialise currency... not sure what that entails.
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@sim The State giveth and the State taketh away. The main creator and and receiver of currency is the state.
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