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1. Stephen Sekula (steve@chirp.cooleysekula.net)'s status on Friday, 11-Nov-2016 18:54:07 UTC Stephen Sekula
   Today, I remember my Pop Pop, a true American, who volunteered in 1944 to fight a racist demagogue, given a republi⦠https://t.co/4oY0dmDMk0 https://chirp.cooleysekula.net/attachment/18775
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   • Joshua Judson Rosen (rozzin@status.hackerposse.com)'s status on Saturday, 12-Nov-2016 05:00:36 UTC Joshua Judson Rosen

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     My grandfather, my son's namesake, fought that fight too—he took this #photo after helping to liberate Dachau: https://status.hackerposse.com/url/12577
   • Joshua Judson Rosen (rozzin@status.hackerposse.com)'s status on Saturday, 12-Nov-2016 05:12:50 UTC Joshua Judson Rosen

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     If you have the stomach for it, there are another 11 (more expositive) images in my grandfather's #Dachau #photo album: https://status.hackerposse.com/url/12578
   • Joshua Judson Rosen (rozzin@status.hackerposse.com)'s status on Saturday, 12-Nov-2016 05:45:44 UTC Joshua Judson Rosen

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     Of course I meant, "my grandfather, my son's eponym"....
   • Joshua Judson Rosen (rozzin@status.hackerposse.com)'s status on Saturday, 12-Nov-2016 05:53:14 UTC Joshua Judson Rosen

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     Mm. I just remembered that the last time I tried this, Yad Vashem had seriously screwed up and made their webpages un-bookmarkable—really hoping this has since been fixed: https://www.hackerposse.com/~rozzin/journal//my-centenarian-grandfather
   • Joshua Judson Rosen (rozzin@status.hackerposse.com)'s status on Saturday, 12-Nov-2016 06:40:10 UTC Joshua Judson Rosen

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     Remembering my grandfather's memories: http://www.hackerposse.com/~rozzin/journal//remembering-my-grandfathers-memories.html
   • Stephen Sekula (steve@chirp.cooleysekula.net)'s status on Saturday, 12-Nov-2016 19:20:56 UTC Stephen Sekula

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     • Joshua Judson Rosen
     @rozzin So hard to look at those images, but so necessary to remember the evil that all people are capable of. My wife's grandfather also participated in the liberation of cience traction camps. He has some haunting photos as well.
   • Joshua Judson Rosen (rozzin@status.hackerposse.com)'s status on Sunday, 20-Nov-2016 19:53:29 UTC Joshua Judson Rosen

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     The images I find harder to look at are actually ones like this…: https://www.hackerposse.com/~rozzin/shoah/affable-everyman-hitler.jpg
   • Stephen Sekula (steve@chirp.cooleysekula.net)'s status on Sunday, 20-Nov-2016 20:13:29 UTC Stephen Sekula

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     • Joshua Judson Rosen
     Agreed. It's watching Nero fiddle while Rome burned. Except it's Hitler, and Western Civilization.
   • Bob Mottram (bob@gnusocial.freedombone.net)'s status on Sunday, 20-Nov-2016 20:13:46 UTC Bob Mottram

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     • Joshua Judson Rosen
     @rozzin @steve One thing to remember. Hitler is usually portrayed as a monster. The Other, or The Shadow in Jungian terms. But Hitler was really just a man. A man who sometimes made telephone calls. Mostly an office worker and bureaucrat in a suit. The potential to do Hitler-like things exists everywhere and at all times. Hatred and rage, and the desire to look for simple answers in a complex world are omnipresent. Hitler also existed within a narrative which animated others, without which he would have been just some insane war veteran. Stopping present or future Hitlers is as much about stopping the narrative as it is about stopping some banal fellow.
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   • Joshua Judson Rosen (rozzin@status.hackerposse.com)'s status on Sunday, 20-Nov-2016 21:57:35 UTC Joshua Judson Rosen

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     @bob @steve that's sort of why it's so hard to look at those pictures, actually—and why acknowledging them may be even more important than the more gruesome ones…
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   • Joshua Judson Rosen (rozzin@status.hackerposse.com)'s status on Sunday, 20-Nov-2016 22:13:06 UTC Joshua Judson Rosen

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     Eric Schrijver's "Visual Literacy" article in #LibreGraphicsMag 1.1 nicely described the issues with the way photographs from history are oft used to illustrate it afterward: http://libregraphicsmag.com/files/libregraphicsmag_1.1_lowquality.pdf @bob @steve
   • Joshua Judson Rosen (rozzin@status.hackerposse.com)'s status on Sunday, 20-Nov-2016 22:16:42 UTC Joshua Judson Rosen

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     #LibreGraphicMag 1.1 was also the first time I ever encountered that image of a `jovial, affable, everyman #Hitler'... @bob @steve