Conwell: "...contact he went to Bardeen to work on the interpretation and suggest further experiments. And Brattain would try to stand up to Shockley, and it was just pathetic. Shockley would just wipe the floor with him. Shockley is a very, very bright man, who definitely-well he went off the deep end in sociological things." Ashrafi: "Was there any manifestation of that, at this stage?" Conwell: "Yes. Yes. He already was talking about eugenics." Ashrafi: "Just to be clear, we're talking about '51 and '52."
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